Date: 2023-01-21 12:30 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
So if folk want to get married somewhere where equality really has a meaning, they can always pop along to my lot- the Quakers.

Since when did the C of E go back to the 'marriage is for life' nonsense?

Date: 2023-01-22 08:11 am (UTC)
mountainkiss: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mountainkiss
Well, forever unless you count its actual founder.

Date: 2023-01-21 01:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wildeabandon
Whilst I understand that Quaker marriages are of great value to those who are of that tradition, if one holds to a sacramental theology, they're no more able to fulfil that sacramental vocation than a civil marriage.

The Church has always held to the doctrine that marriage is for life. The willingness to marry divorcees with living former spouses is based on an acknowledgement that we are imperfect rather than a denial of that doctrine.

Date: 2023-01-21 02:55 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
If you carve giant holes in your doctrine like that, it isn't really much of a doctrine, is it? More of an aspiration.

Date: 2023-01-21 03:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
I can accept that it's an aspiration rather than a doctrine, and that it's one that matters to many.

Date: 2023-01-21 03:28 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
But they're not setting it as an aspiration. They're setting it as a doctrine. If they'd said "We prefer this, but we accept on an equal basis those who are not," they'd come across as a prejudiced institution that was willing to set aside its prejudice. Instead, they're willing to set aside their doctrine for some people but not other people. That's what's offensive.

Date: 2023-01-21 03:35 pm (UTC)
dewline: Text - "On the DEWLine" (Default)
From: [personal profile] dewline
Already noticed the dissonance on this, thank you.

Date: 2023-01-21 03:42 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
Good, but your comments emphatically did not give the impression that you had.

Date: 2023-01-21 07:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wildeabandon
To be honest I can't disagree, and I don't understand why we are willing to remarry divorcees, but unlike same sex marriage it's not something I feel strongly enough about to have made the effort to understand the reasoning.

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