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Interesting test here which tests your ability to tell people's emotions from looking at their eyes. It's used as one of a series of tests for Aspergers and the like.
[Poll #1642444]

My score was not what I expected.

Date: 2010-11-09 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
I did MUCH better than I expected. With the ones I fluffed I tended to think that none of the labels applied, that *they* had got it slightly wrong.

I'd have been concerned mind you, if I'd got full marks....

Date: 2010-11-09 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
Yes, I agree, I thought the labels were wrong too :)

Date: 2010-11-09 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princealbert.livejournal.com
In those situations I went with my second choice, and it was always the first choice.

Date: 2010-11-09 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Wow. I got 31 as well. I honestly did not expect to do at all well.

It felt strange. I started off basically guessing -- except that almost all of my guesses happened to be right.

A third of the way through, I thought to try to imagine the whole face making the expressions described and see which seemed right, and that seemed to help a lot. I probably mimed making that face, but not deliberately. I started to consciously notice the position of the face and position of the eyes, which correlated with what sounded vaguely plausible for those emotions.

Date: 2010-11-09 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I also hypothesises that perhaps I'm bad at emotions but very good at spotting the "right" answer from sets of four, and that I should try taking it again _without_ looking at the eyes. Or that the test is actually testing something else. But I don't think it is; I imagine it is just what it says.

(I also noticed what Elmyra says)

Date: 2010-11-09 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
12

Which is only slightly better than chance.

Perhaps if I'd tried the "trying out the emotions" trick I would have done better but I think that's cheating because it relies on having a short-list to pick from.

I'm not diagnosed with Aspergers or Autism.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamaranth.livejournal.com
my score was also not what I expected: I don't tend to think of myself as good at reading emotion.

a couple of observations:
- I'm sure I got the same picture twice, illustrating 'fantasising' and 'thoughtful'
- I based my judgements on eye direction -- looking away, looking toward -- which makes me gloomy as eye contact is something I sometimes find difficult, and this test implies that I am giving off the wrong signals. (Not that this is a surprise, I do that a lot.)

Date: 2010-11-09 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
I think they reused pictures too.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
They didn't reuse pictures but they did reuse the same eyes once or twice.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
ah, then I got the same woman twice with very similar expressions.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drainboy.livejournal.com
For I AM Tim Roth.

You may think I got three wrong. No, they got three wrong.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
:-) sociopaths would score very highly, I understand...

Date: 2010-11-09 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Lol. Oh, I know that, I wasn't questioning whether [livejournal.com profile] channelpenguin was right. I was 'er'-ing in light of our conversation the other day and my score.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
:-) yeah, I was *relieved* to get some wrong

Date: 2010-11-13 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luckylove.livejournal.com
Oh shit. I got 35.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
Also, who decides (and how) what the 'correct' emotion is? If they get people to act, they could miss the mark. If it's a consensus of many folks assesment of a picture then who is to say that that is right either? Even if they take tons of photos of people and then ask the people making the expression they may not know themselves by the time they are asked.

Date: 2010-11-09 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
I didn't realise it was a specific test for Asperger's. It's interesting since I have been so often accused of not being able to read people right. Seems I read them just fine...just do not always react in the prescribed/expected way.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosamicula.livejournal.com
I agree - I'd be interested to see which ones we got wrong and if they were the same.

Date: 2010-11-09 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drainboy.livejournal.com
I think a few were ambiguous. Certainly I got to a few of them, guessed what they were and that guess didn't appear on the list so I guessed something else. If the differences had been more subtle in the options then I think I would have gotten a lot more wrong.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I only got one wrong because I second-guessed myself. But lo I am the anti-aspie, as we have established in the past.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
It's not much of a sample set yet but it's looking as though either their 'average' is a little off or you have slightly above-average friends at this sort of game.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigwotflies.livejournal.com
I got 29 and was surprised by how many I got right, especially as I don't think of myself as someone who can read other people easily.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
The test doesn't quite work for me. I got the first half dozen right and then started feeling mild panic about getting subsequent ones right too, and then making mistakes due to overthinking. Argh.

But yeah, my own problems aside, I can pretty much ace this.

Date: 2010-11-09 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sageautumn.livejournal.com
I did that also... totally overthinking.

I ended up with 31, but I think it should've been 33.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
I started out doing poorly, then about halfways through I started to get a high percentage right.

Incidentally, it resized my browser, so I wonder if that was important. And if not, then why did they do it? As all it did in my case was annoy me - and then make me resize it back again before I started. If that's not what they wanted, then a failed quiz, I reckon!

Date: 2010-11-09 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladysisyphus.livejournal.com
Ugh, there are few things that will make me more instantly pissy than a website that resizes my browser window without my consent.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
And I'm wondering if that's intentional. As in getting people annoyed before they start the test. Was yours resized? As I'm picking it wouldn't work with some browsers.

Date: 2010-11-09 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladysisyphus.livejournal.com
Mine wasn't resized at first, but I browse in Firefox with scripts set to default to off. When I allowed the domain, though? Suddenly: tiny window.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Also -- wouldn't it be fun if they chucked one in of the Mona Lisa's eyes?

Date: 2010-11-09 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladysisyphus.livejournal.com
31, though it should've been 33, I second-guessed myself twice.

I find it interesting how the test's images were gendered on some of the options, though.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Or any fantasizing or desirous men. I noticed this too.

Date: 2010-11-09 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
Flirtatious was THE easiest one to spot.

yeah - I kept waiting for the flirty men...

Date: 2010-11-09 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moosedevil.livejournal.com
Wow, I got 33 correct, which is much higher than I would have expected to. Interesting test Andy, thanks for posting :)

Date: 2010-11-09 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drainboy.livejournal.com
33 is _exactly_ the right amount.

Date: 2010-11-09 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davesangel.livejournal.com
Really? Cool, that's what I got.

Date: 2010-11-09 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmyra.livejournal.com
I got 29 and serious blood pressure and anger management issues.

Not a single non-white face. While there was a mix of young and old men, tehre wasn't a single wrinkle around any of the female eyes, and all the eye brows were meticulously plucked. While men were defiant and decisive and hostlie, women were fantasising (twice!) and flirtatious, and frankly mostly just bland.

This experiment set-up is deeply flawed.

(Sorry, this is not directed at you, but I just clicked through 36 images of 1950s stereotype and it's made me unexpectedly and incredibly angry, so I thought I'd share the pain. ;-)

Date: 2010-11-09 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I had a similar irritation but I was mostly pleased with myself for my score so I didn't bother to comment. And now I feel guilty.

Date: 2010-11-09 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autodidactic.livejournal.com
I was irritated that so many of the female emotions were based on "desire". I went out of my way not to objectify women, and my score suffered.

Date: 2010-11-09 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kashandara.livejournal.com
This kind of worried me too. On a couple of them I deliberately aimed for thoughful/considering type answers and was wrong on the grounds that the makers seem to think women lookingn thoughtful are thinking of what they'd like to do to them/someone...

Date: 2010-11-09 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
This annoyed me a great deal too.

Date: 2010-11-09 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
The only thing is that it gives you time to consider, and I'd like to know what the responses would be like if you were only allowed say 1 second to see it.

Date: 2010-11-09 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
The only one I looked at for more than a glance, click, glance, click, was the one I got wrong. From that I would guess that people's answers would probably be better.

Date: 2010-11-09 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kashandara.livejournal.com
I got a couple of wrong ones from overthinking it, going back to look at the picture zoomed in and changing my mind, so I agree that perhaps this is one of those tests where forcing folks to go on instinct might improve responses for 'normal' folks. Whether the difference would be accentuated in the autistic would be more interesting to me than the current data the test provides seems to be...

Date: 2010-11-09 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
Theres something about higher order processing or something, but I can't remember exactly what it is, and it has to do with looking at faces.... unfort not my area of research.

Date: 2010-11-09 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usmu.livejournal.com
I scored an average 27. Funny thing was I had no trouble picking up the bad emotions. I had considerately more trouble with the interested and flirty type ones. I guess that's why I've been single all these years. :)

Date: 2010-11-09 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com
I got 29 and was surprised how many I got right. Although several of them were kind of guesses - e.g. my reaction to the picture was "They look fed-up" and then that wasn't an option, so I compared each option to the picture and picked one of the options that wasn't a complete mismatch. (I thought a lot of them looked fed-up.)

I couldn't tell you what it is in any image that makes it look like the emotion it's supposed to look like.

I also noticed the way all the sex-related ones were women, and I'm not normally the sort of person who notices or cares about that kind of thing, so it must have been quite an extreme bias.

Date: 2010-11-09 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheekbones3.livejournal.com
I got 21, and I thought I was doing quite well!

Date: 2010-11-09 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com
Mine neither!

I got 22. I did a lot better on "positive" behaviours than "negative". And - I think - better on reading women's eyes than men's.

Date: 2010-11-09 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com
Sorry, I mean positive emotions, obviously...!

Reading through the comments, I too thought that some of their descriptions were wrong.

Date: 2010-11-09 08:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com
Crappy flash too slow to actually complete it, but commits basic Boys Are Autiform Fail: girls are generically better at that sort of thing.

Date: 2010-11-09 09:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com
Sorry, I picked that up from (iirc) Elisabeth Moon: a disorder on the Aspergers-Autism spectrum.

Date: 2010-11-10 06:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zz
I got 31, am male, and have been diagnosed with asperger's. :>

I am amused however that the ones I got wrong are all where I assumed the person was more unhappy/hostile than they supposedly were.

Date: 2010-11-09 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draconid.livejournal.com
Uhm... yeah, I'm off the scale. I only got 14! Although a lot of my second 'ooops, I should have picked option X, too late' choices were right.

Date: 2010-11-09 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heyokish.livejournal.com
Damn. Very bad at this indeed. A sad 20. And that was all negative ones. I'm not going to think about that very much or I'll read far far too much into it.

Date: 2010-11-10 12:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] darkoshi
The format of the test annoyed me. They should have made the photos larger instead of so small that you have to zoom them. And why did they make it so that the zoomed photos cover the answers, so that you have to go back and forth between zoomed and unzoomed?

I think it is problematic interpreting facial expressions, without knowing what the particular faces look like in a resting state. For example, does the face always have certain wrinkles, or is the person actively making the wrinkles? Does the person normally have squinty eyes, or are they actively squinting?

Also, I'm skeptical of how they came up with the "correct" answers. I doubt they took photos of people and then asked them what they were feeling. The answers seem to be based on some kind of stereotypes... so the test determines how familiar you are with those stereotypes.

Date: 2010-11-10 07:47 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-10 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] in-thy-bounty.livejournal.com
Interesting...
I always felt that I was fairly good at reading people. I seemed to struggle with apologetic though, clearly not enough people have been apologising to me.

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