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andrewduckerA friend pointed me towards this review of suicide at the Tavistock, carried out in response to this claim from the GoodLaw project that suicides had gone up dramatically since trans healthcare for kids was cut off.
The initial claim was for 16 suicides since that point (versus 1 before). The counterclaim is that suicides haven't risen at all.
Which is weird, isn't it. Either someone is lying, or they're looking at two different sets of data.
So when I looked into the review. And it says that the original claim was about " a large rise in suicide by current and recent patients of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) service at the Tavistock" - and that's not what the leak was about. It was about there being "one death of a young trans person on the waiting list but in the three years afterwards sixteen deaths."
Do people on the waiting list count as current patients? Because if you're saying "Stopping people from getting off the waiting list and into treatment increases suicide" and the response is "people who are being treated aren't committing suicide" then you've got fundamentally two different datasets being looked at. And, if anything, you're making the case that treatment keeps suicide numbers down.
So, at this point, until there's an answer to that question, I don't think anyone can make a judgement about what it actually means.
The data about suicides is explicitly stated to be "based on an internal audit by the Tavistock of deaths among current and former GIDS patients"
The initial claim was for 16 suicides since that point (versus 1 before). The counterclaim is that suicides haven't risen at all.
Which is weird, isn't it. Either someone is lying, or they're looking at two different sets of data.
So when I looked into the review. And it says that the original claim was about " a large rise in suicide by current and recent patients of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) service at the Tavistock" - and that's not what the leak was about. It was about there being "one death of a young trans person on the waiting list but in the three years afterwards sixteen deaths."
Do people on the waiting list count as current patients? Because if you're saying "Stopping people from getting off the waiting list and into treatment increases suicide" and the response is "people who are being treated aren't committing suicide" then you've got fundamentally two different datasets being looked at. And, if anything, you're making the case that treatment keeps suicide numbers down.
So, at this point, until there's an answer to that question, I don't think anyone can make a judgement about what it actually means.
The data about suicides is explicitly stated to be "based on an internal audit by the Tavistock of deaths among current and former GIDS patients"
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Date: 2024-07-19 06:17 pm (UTC)Quelle surprise!
Before starting treatment I was suicidal- after starting, not, although admittedly that was a treatment regime that got you straight onto hormones (the NHS has always loathed that and an attempt was made to block access in the nineties so the powers that be trying to prevent accessing help is nothing new) so whether that makes a difference is more than I know.
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Date: 2024-07-19 07:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-07-20 03:09 am (UTC)For example, some subset of boys are being scammed into sending nudes online and then being threatened in sextortion attempts, and I think there have been a few of these cases that have led to suicide.