Date: 2024-06-21 03:14 pm (UTC)
toothycat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] toothycat
1 -> people responding to that with "so Labour is basically the Tories, then?" And the depressing truth is that no. No, it is not. The whole Overton window has shifted way way to the right over the last couple of decades. Today's Labour may be where the Tories were back then, but /the distance between the two remains the same/.

I am lucky enough to be in a constituency where I am comfortable voting my conscience, but if that is not the case for you, I encourage you to vote tactically, because wherever Labour is now, the alternative remains much worse.

Date: 2024-06-22 10:09 am (UTC)
alithea: Artwork of Francine from Strangers in Paradise, top half only with hair and scarf blowing in the wind (Default)
From: [personal profile] alithea
Yes, the Overton Window shift is something a lot of people seem to be missing. I am far from the biggest fan of Labour as is, being a Scottish Independence supporter and an actual Leftie, but the idea they are the *same* as the current Tories, is thankfully nonsense.

Date: 2024-06-23 03:57 pm (UTC)
0olong: (Default)
From: [personal profile] 0olong
But why has the Overton window moved so far to the right?

Largely because people like Keir Starmer have been actively participating in closing the part of it to their left.

As for not voting with your conscience in case the Actual Tories get reelected... I'm not a huge believer in polls, but I can see how remote that possibility is after months and months of Labour being not just ahead, but *overwhelmingly* ahead.
Edited (Typos) Date: 2024-06-23 03:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2024-06-24 09:23 am (UTC)
alithea: Artwork of Francine from Strangers in Paradise, top half only with hair and scarf blowing in the wind (Default)
From: [personal profile] alithea
Yes, Labour being dreadful over Corbyn and his supporters did indeed contribute significantly. But the current Tories are still much further Right than Starmer, even if Starmer is much further Right than many of us would like Labour to be.

Date: 2024-06-21 04:28 pm (UTC)
misbegotten: James Kirk with a miniature ship (STAOS Kirk with Ship)
From: [personal profile] misbegotten
Michael Giacchino loves to do puns in the titles of tracks! Check out the ones on the first Star Trek reboot (though some of them are a lot funnier if you know what scene he is referencing).
Edited (typo) Date: 2024-06-21 04:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2024-06-21 05:12 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
1) Isn't this the same sort of complaint that was made about Tony Blair?

Date: 2024-06-23 04:00 pm (UTC)
0olong: (Default)
From: [personal profile] 0olong
Interestingly, Blair never felt the need to go to war with the left on anything like the scale Starmer and his allies have. Corbyn was repeatedly reelected under Blair, for example.

Date: 2024-06-23 04:35 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
True. But Blair also froze leftists (except those who'd recanted) out of the government, in contrast to Wilson, who tried to bring everybody in, left and right alike (including Michael Foot, the Corbyn of his day).

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Date: 2024-06-22 10:48 am (UTC)
channelpenguin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
I don't find those puns all that great to be honest.

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