Date: 2021-06-10 11:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
My guess would be beer as it's less complex and with wild yeast (lambic) varieties can happen almost by accident.

River Jordan

Date: 2021-06-10 12:03 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
A bunch of solar powered desalination plants would help with the Dead Sea Water levels.

Or slightly dafter, a pipe carrying seawater from the Med to the Dead Sea

I wonder if we could persuade a bunch of USian Evangelicals to pay for that in order to Save the River Jordan.

Re: River Jordan

Date: 2021-06-10 12:24 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Exactly that.

If you replaced the water used in Israel's cities with water from desal plants on the Med coast that would, I presume, reduce the overall draw of water from the River Jordan and Sea of Galilie.

I think a similar thing about Sydney in Australia.

Re: River Jordan

Date: 2021-06-10 01:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Such things would indeed be helpful in many places.

Re: River Jordan

Date: 2021-06-10 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
Desalination used to be dismissed as too expensive.

Has it become less costly due to technical advances, or has the need increased enough to make it necessary despite the cost?

Re: River Jordan

Date: 2021-06-10 04:01 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
In that part of the world you can currently build a solar PV plant for about $10 a megawatthour and the price is falling by about 5% a year.

More pertinently probably the cheapest way of having lots of intermittent renewables on the grid is to build more than you need so that even on the worst performing weeks you have enough and find something, anything, to do with the surplus power for the rest of the time. Avoiding the cost of the storage is likely cheaper overall.

A useful thing to do with electricity you would otherwise throw away is pump and desalinate water.

Bread/beer/bread/beer

Date: 2021-06-10 05:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
I really think we have to embrace the power of "and".

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