Aluminium Energy Storage

Date: 2021-03-16 01:24 pm (UTC)
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Looks like the cost of the Aluminium energy store is getting is about 10-20 pence a kilowatthour. Which is a bit more than we're used to paying for winter heating with natural gas.

Mind you, you might get about the same overall cost for heating throughout the year as you'd be using direct solar PV & a heat pump for quite a lot of heating and hot water throughout the year.

I think rather than using individual unit per house this might work better / cheaper as part of a district heating scheme or in block of flats or an office.

Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

Date: 2021-03-16 01:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
The component list has several components which are fixed cost (control software for example) and several items where I think the costs scale in a non-linear way for significantl larger scheme.

It's got district heating scheme writen all over it. In French and German and Italian.

Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

Date: 2021-03-16 01:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
See my answer to Dewline's question.

And, difficult to tell in advance.

And another factor would be the cost of wind power which tends to be a little more synchronus with European demand. Or energy from waste schemes.

It's a very exciting time to be alive as an energy economist. Very exciting!

Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

Date: 2021-03-16 01:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Is that a bad thing, though?

Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

Date: 2021-03-16 01:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
No, no at all. I actually think the fact that it's probably better suited for district heating might be an advantage when we consider the overall energy system costs.

Depending on how you build your 100% renewables grid you might end up having some quite expensive batteries doing very little. Charge up once in early autumn, discharge once in early spring. Or you might have extra long-distance HVDC cables running north-south that you only use the full capacity of for a few weeks of the year. Or you have an over abundence of solar PV so you balance your grid to supply peak demand rather than average demand and throw away power in the summer.

And some systems like this one might avoid some of those excess capital costs. So the individual systems themselves aren't the cheapest systems to run but they reduce the overall amount of power that other elements of the grid have to shift 3-6 months and cut the cost overall.

In which case there's a net gain to be had from providing some subsidy for these systems in some numbers. And that's probably easier to do if they are larger systems as part of shared heating system.

Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

Date: 2021-03-16 02:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Thanks much! This gives me additional context to think with!

Date: 2021-03-16 02:18 pm (UTC)
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Love the video about performance v trust. Ties in with things like the No Asshole Rule and so on - unfortunately all too often being the asshole and good at bullshitting seems to get rewarded with promotions.

Date: 2021-03-16 05:14 pm (UTC)
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Though I do worry that it ends up penalising non-assholes who are just a bit weird - i.e. people who are further away from the archetypical straight white cis man.

Justice League: Whedon v Snyder

Date: 2021-03-16 05:54 pm (UTC)
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I am inclined to leave it alone. I've seen Whedon's movie. Flawed as it was, more flaws revealed after the release, too, by some of the other people who worked on it...I'm done.

Keep the story moving, but move on from both Whedon and Snyder. Please.

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