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andrewducker- Majority Of Voters Back Urgent Reform Of Westminster System
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- Solar panels replaced tarmac on a motorway. Here are the results.
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- Chechnya starts concentration camps for gay men, first time after Hitler
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- Labour's new Brexit referendum would not offer option to remain in EU, says John McDonnell
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Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 12:53 pm (UTC)Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 12:56 pm (UTC)Sorry, not clear. Behind what deal? There is no workable option currently on the table. They’ve ruled out Norway and Canada plus requires a border in the Irish Sea.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:11 pm (UTC)There is no deal they can agree to, "Norway" has that icky free movement of people immigration requirement which millions of their voters would object to never mind payments to the EU, supremacy of the ECJ and more. Canada plus plus loses them the DUP and thus the House of Commons. There is nothing else except their fantasy Chequers cherry-picking exercise which cannot be accepted by the EU from a country outside the EU's rules since it directly contradicts the four freedoms core of the EU's structure. The Tories can't revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU because they'd lose power for a generation and more, and power is why they're in Government in the first place.
We're headed for a no-deal exit.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:13 pm (UTC)I do not think the statement "they will hang together" has any meaning if they are not hanging together behind something. And I do not believe (perhaps wrongly) that they will hang together behind a no-deal exit to the extent that they can get it through Parliament, given how slim their majority is. The number of people needed to block this getting through is pretty small.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:15 pm (UTC)Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:17 pm (UTC)Okay. I'm going to nail my colours to the mast and say that I don't think there's a majority in the party for that. I could be wrong. They don't need many people to refuse to endorse it before they lose the ability to get it through Parliament.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:34 pm (UTC)As you know, I come from a long, long line of Labour activists and whilst I might be on hiatus from the tribe you can take the boy out of Labour but you can't take the Labour out of the boy.
For enough Tories to vote to effectively bring down their own government they need to be comfortable with losing their jobs, their friends and allies losing their jobs, being banished from their tribe and risking both a Corbyn government and a permanent split in the Tory party and vote They also need to be sure that sufficient other Tories will vote with them, or else they have isolated themselves and sacrificed themselves for no good purpose.
You may be right about them but I've always been with Nye Bevan on the subject of Tories.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:41 pm (UTC)I mean, don't get me wrong, I do genuinely think there's a good chance of no deal - currently putting it at 40%. But I don't think that'll come from a vote. I think it'll come from the lack of one.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:59 pm (UTC)It's open to backbenchers to trigger various proceedures in the Commons, up to and including a vote of No Confidence - so they ought to be able to force a vote.
I currently think 60%
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 02:04 pm (UTC)Sorry, I mean a vote that legitimises leaving the EU without a deal.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 03:51 pm (UTC)I think the reality is that it's all going to be murky, up to and including threats of violence. So, who knows what anyone will do.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:41 pm (UTC)I also do not think that a Tory government would survive a no-deal scenario for very long, and some of the politicians whose sole aim is the survival of the party will take this into account.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 02:00 pm (UTC)Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 01:50 pm (UTC)Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 02:51 pm (UTC)Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 02:52 pm (UTC)There will be some, yes. Hoey, Field, another one whom I've forgotten. But I (possibly wrongly) don't think there will be so many that it makes the passage of no deal inevitable. The Labour Party will be strongly whipped to vote against it.
Re: Labour Brexit Means ???
Date: 2018-09-24 02:53 pm (UTC)I think an accidental no-deal is a very real possibility, just because the clock stops ticking before there's any possibility of a deal. But I think it's pretty unlikely to be a deliberate outcome.