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The day after: Tory MPs look at the cliff-edge

Date: 2018-06-22 11:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xenophanean
"Yet, time and again, Conservative MPs given the chance to vote for their country or their party have opted to keep Theresa May’s government in place and risk hard Brexit."

I just doubt this. I think remainer Tories aren't failing to rebel against May because they're just useless, they're doing it because they're afraid they'll end up with a Davis government, who'll rip up deals and force a no-deal Brexit, whereas Theresa May is very likely to make some sort of a deal, because she's neither crazy, treasonously self-interested nor incredibly stupid*.


*She _is_ racist, bigoted, pretty hard-right and hateful, but alarmingly she's currently looking like one of the more palatable members of the Tory party.
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
They can probably bring down May in a way that doesn't permanently damage the Conservative Party or their membership of it.

About 50 Tory MP's need to ask for a confidence vote on the Leader. They then need 50%+1 of the current Tory MP's to vote for them. If they get that they survive. If they don't there is a leadership contest.

It's possible that May would not win a confidence vote. Davis (or whomever) will have won an election of Tory MP's and possibly an election of Tory members. It's unlikely that they would lose a vote of confidence shortly after winning the leadership.

So any Tory rebels would have to vote with the opposition parties to no confidence the government - and risk being expelled from the party and a general election. That's not impossible but it's less likely than May being removed.

Date: 2018-06-22 11:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
And that's what Hitler's minions told the disabled people they were engaged in murdering....................

Date: 2018-06-22 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
Thanks for the Brexit prospect factual updates: they extend my knowledge without contradicting anything I thought I knew previously, so I don't feel at a loss here. It's your government that's at a loss.

Re the fans dissatisfied with The Last Jedi: I'd just like to point out that the first time some Star Wars fans rebelled and declared that the new movie was unacceptable and not in keeping with the spirit and traditions of the franchise was with The Empire Strikes Back. Yes, really. A Star Wars fan friend of mine (with an attitude of, "Can you believe these nuts?") showed me at the time a printed fanzine with a rant to that effect.

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