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From: [personal profile] aldabra
I'm not convinced that it's "stupid" to read SF stupidly. I think putting the same story in an unfamiliar context increases the amount of work it takes to understand it, and so decreases the expected net reward from reading it. It's rational to put less effort into tasks with lower expected reward, and in this case the study participants are right because the alien setting has no material effect on the story; it's gratuitous unfamiliarity with no telos.
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I think that's true, and I should have qualified that in my answer. I don't think that was the right way to describe the effect (although if they've read some of the thinkpieces about how scifi is shit because it's not litfic, I understand why they were primed to be unfair).

But it's not necessarily the case that a book is less valuable if it's harder; only if the extras are not valuable. I'm not sure how much someone who's never been exposed to scifi would benefit from being exposed to those concepts: I guess being exposed to the concept of a space station or an android is really good in its own right, but absorbing the genre conventions that don't necessarily have anything in common with what's possible, but just happen to be what anglophone scifi has somewhat converged on, isn't.
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From: [personal profile] aldabra
Yes; I love the scope SF gives for warping time and space and consciousness. I think you can do a lot with that which you can't do with litfic, and those are the kinds of ideas I'm interested in. (But I've actively backed off from the space opera and tech-progress porn, because it annoys me too much.)

On the other hand, I'm quite sure that if someone gave me cat detective fiction, or Elizabethan court intrigue fiction, to read I would read it "stupidly", and I'm not convinced that's a bad strategy *even if it's intrinsically as well-written as anything else I read*. Whereas with my current genre of choice, which is deindustrial SF, I probably read it *less* stupidly than it objectively deserves, because those are the settings and counterfactual possibilities I'm most interested in.

I think having genre-preferences is inevitable, under the current proliferation of books such that you can't possibly read everything you might want to even within a genre, and I can see how one might decide sensibly that aliens aren't one's priority. (Though it's harder to see how one decides sensibly that cat detectives are...)
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From: [personal profile] naath
ebut cats! I think I read most things equally stupidly, I'm not interested in doing litcrit, I just want to have fun.
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From: [personal profile] aldabra
Ha, yes, it was exactly you I was expecting to call me out on dissing cats and Elizabethan court intrigue 8-)

I've read the odd self-published thing which switches genre midway through, in a way which no self-respecting publisher would allow. It certainly wakes you up. (Unfortunately they have a tendency also to misuse punctuation in a way which no self-respecting publisher would allow, and I'm irredeemably twitchy about that.)

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