ARES

Date: 2017-10-30 02:24 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
There is some sceptisism about the cost of the ARES storage system

http://euanmearns.com/is-ares-the-solution-to-the-energy-storage-problem/

Re: ARES

Date: 2017-10-30 03:14 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Something like that.

Depends what figure you are taking for storage by battery packs. The article from Energy Matters is some years old and they tend to ignore the current prices of renewables and storage when discussing them. It would not surprise me if the cost of batteries was lower than assumed in any comments.

The key difficulty is that the ARES technology is pretty mature and not subject to potential significant innovation.

Re: ARES

Date: 2017-10-31 01:06 pm (UTC)
doug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] doug
Thanks for that skeptical article. It finishes off nicely with the installation cost looking eye-popping. I suspect the running costs might be pretty grim too: maintaining a heavy rail system is not cheap. Although my instincts on that are driven by the requirements of passenger trains: if nobody's riding the trains, you could be more relaxed about derailments, so your cost/benefit tradeoff would be different. Do you happen to know anything about that?

Re: ARES

Date: 2017-10-31 01:45 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Not much on the costs of rail I'm afraid.

I agree that you could be more relaxed about maintenance of the rail as there won't be people on it or near it but the costs of a derailement in terms of lost revenue might be eye-watering. If you are selling balancing services they are well paid but expensive to get wrong.

Re: ARES

Date: 2017-11-04 05:05 pm (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
There are a LOT of decommissioned rail lines and spurs in Canada. A company might take over a hundred-kilometer section of unused track and run a train up and down a ten-kilometer section until major maintenance is needed. Then they'd move along to another section with a suitable slope.

Not sustainable in the long run, but it might be useful for decades until battery costs drop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Northland_Railway

Re: ARES

Date: 2017-11-06 10:05 am (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
That might work.

I'm not sure how much of the set up cost is to do with the electricity cables and switching gear.

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