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Date: 2012-02-27 11:09 am (UTC)
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Kripke resigns as report alleges that he faked results of thought experiments

Best. Headline. Ever.

Date: 2012-02-27 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
PayPal has been puritanical for a while. About eight years ago one of my clients was running a dating site for gay men who wanted to meet other gay men who didn't want to use condoms.

PayPal forced him to stop accepting PayPal payments for subscriptions because they thought it violated their obscenity clause in their Terms Of Service.

Another client was running a site where dudes could post reviews of male escorts (mostly so that before they set up a date they could figure out if the guy was going to try to rip them off and/or actually looked like the photo in his add and/or had not photoshoped his dick pick) and PayPal cut his payment processor off as well.

Date: 2012-02-27 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
Meanwhile they are happy to process payments for pretty much any get rich quick scheme or lose 30 pounds in 30 days diet rip off on the Internet.

Date: 2012-03-19 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
They won't fund any firearm-related transactions, either.

Date: 2012-02-27 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
I may start refering to myself as a Friend of Nicholas.
Edited Date: 2012-02-27 11:50 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-02-27 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosamicula.livejournal.com
I think the problem with benefit fraud is that no one actually knows how much there is, as these figures only reveal the ones that are caught, surely?

Anyone who lives in social housing will tell you that fraud is pretty rife. The flat I used to have in London was in a block of 52, with six on my floor. During the eight years I lived there, seven different tenants on that floor were fiddling their benefits. Three were single mothers that weren't single, two were subletting at enormous profits, and two were were working cash in hand whilst claiming benefits.

I reported both the subletters, but they weren't prosecuted, they simply lost the tenancies of the flats they were living in anyway, which is standard procedure and does nothing to curb what is a growing problem, and increasingly one of teh activitie sof organised crime rings.

My neighbour shopped two of the single mothers with partners. He was then harrassed, and flat was then burgled and trashed while he and his wife were at work. It was the only one of the interior flats that burgled in the whole time I lived there and he was told by the police that it had to be an inside job.

I find the discussion about this issue intensely frustrating, because the people who claim that the extent of benefit fraud is hugely exaggerated or some sort of evil Tory myth, aren't the ones compelled to live with it. I only shopped the ones I knew would not result in any comeback for me - and I could have moved out, as I was renting my flat from someone who had bought it.

The honest council tenants didn't dare raise any problems, because they knew it might result in them having to move and that would mean Southwark council taking months to relocate them to another estate (possibly one that was much less convenient for their jobs or their kids' schools).

In the school I just worked in, where each child costs the taxpayers of that county as much as a place at Eton, there were similar stories. The traveller boy I taught, who was one of the most well provided with expensive clothes and kit told the otehr boys he thought their families were suckers for working 'normal, loser jobs' and claimed - I suspect his Dad had been reading the Guardian, and appropriating the relevent language - that it 'wasn't part of traveller culture to pay taxes'.

Going back to when I worked in SOuth Wales at the end of the last recession, there was a huge EU-funded project to be bring tech production companies to the valleys. The Uni I worked in worked with WDA and other bodies to provide training for Japanese and Korean factories. These jobs paid very very well by local standrads, and our training programme was pitched at the long term unemployed - i.e. those who had been on benefits for over a year. We were deluged by enquiries by men on long term sickness benefits, who were not eligible for the scheme. They were quite open about the fact that there weren't suffering from the condition they were signed of with - usuaully depression or back trouble - but there had been so few job opportunities for so long, that they knew they would get significantly more money on sick bens, so that was what they had opted for. This was often with teh tacit collusion of teh benefits agency, because that took them off the unemployed register which wewre better for their statistcsm, and also meant they didn't have to keep sending these poor buggers on jobstart programmes etc that were of absolutely no use to them.

I have every sympathy for those men, given their circumstances, but significant numbers of general shirkers in much more affluent areas of the country switched to sick bens in the late 80s pnwards, when Jobcentres and benefits offices were combined, when there was a lot of pressure on them to demonstrate they were actually seeking work.

Date: 2012-02-27 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
Of course, the problem with that is that then the attempts made to stop benefit fraud only make life more difficult for those who *should* be entitled - Holly, for example, had three years of messing about to try to get her benefits sorted.

And even the simplest hoops to jump through end up getting rid of some of the most needy, while still being easy for fraudsters to get through. One example I always bring up is from when I was working for the Job Centre. We were meant to be signing people up for a new scheme (at the time) where people would get vouchers for interview clothes, travel to work and work clothing (chef's whites or whatever), to help remove barriers for work.

Now, this scheme had various conditions tied to it - you had to live in a poor area, because it was being piloted, but you also had to have at least one other good reason for us to give you the vouchers. But we were being encouraged to sign as many people as possible up anyway, because this was actually the best way of getting people into jobs anyone had found -- pretty much everyone we signed up ended up with a job, because we were removing barriers to entry for those who wanted to work.

So one day we went to a local adult education college which was doing courses in catering, mostly attended by those on the dole, and signed an entire classroom up, until we got to the last bloke.

This bloke seemed a little bit thick, frankly, but obviously desperately wanted to work, and would be a very hard worker. So we go through the form, and he lives in the right area, and has never had a job, but he doesn't have any of the other qualifying things.

So we start dropping 'subtle' hints:
"Are you *sure* you don't have any medical conditions?"
"No..."
"No headaches or bad back or anything?"
"No..."
"OK, I'll just ask you one more time. Remembering that we are *handing out free money* here, that we *aren't legally allowed to check with your doctor or anyone else if you're lying*, and that we can *only give you this free money if you say yes*, do you have any headaches, bad back or any other health conditions that would not be visible to us?"
(Literally in tears now) "No. I'll just have to not get the help I suppose"

Then the teacher overhears this, comes over and says "But what about those fainting spells you have all the time?"
"Oh, I didn't think those would count..."

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the benefits system as it is at the moment is completely broken, and needs to be replaced. This is why I'm less angry about the current Welfare Bill than many of my other left-wing friends - the Universal Credit provisions may be the start of a system that will actually *work*.

Date: 2012-02-27 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luckylove.livejournal.com
So your definition of *work* is a bill that will result in disabled people like myself losing a third of our income? I've been through the bill and the new PIP descriptors and discovered that I'm going to lose the mobility component and a premium. Please forgive me for being so horrified at people who make statements like your last sentence. In my current state of mind I have you pegged as someone who buys into the Government's rhetoric and the Daily Mail's hate-mongering and just wants all poor and disabled people to fuck off and die. I could be wrong, I frequently am, but that's how I see you and anyone else who thinks people like me should lose 33% of our income at the moment.

Date: 2012-02-27 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
Please read the actual words I wrote before making up shit about my beliefs. I've had enough of that today already from idiots on Twitter.

I said "the Universal Credit provisions may be the start of a system that will actually *work*". I said *nothing* about the changes which will (if not modified -- the bill is still being debated) see people lose contributions-based ESA and so on. I have been, and continue to be, an active campaigner against those clauses. If nothing else, my disabled wife is one of those who will lose out.

I was talking, very specifically, about the Universal Credit - the replacement of a complex system with a simpler one, and in particular the idea of it being tapered away rather than removed altogether as one enters work.

I didn't say I agreed with the rest of the bill - in fact, rather the opposite. I said I was 'less angry' - that implies that I am still angry *to some degree*. Which I am. I just don't see the bill as an unalloyed disaster, since having seen the benefits system from all sides (I spent most of my early 20s unemployed, I've worked for the JobCentre, and my wife's attempts to jump through the bureaucratic nightmare that is claiming ESA are the kind of thing I could write a book about) I can see just how broken it is. What I want is for the bill to be amended so the bad parts of the bill can be removed while the good parts - the parts that will actually help fix a broken system - will remain.

Quite how you get from that to me wanting poor and disabled people to fuck off and die, I have less than no idea.

Date: 2012-02-27 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
(And no, it hasn't escaped me that this is *precisely* the conversation I said I was trying not to have in the post that Andrew linked above.)

Date: 2012-02-27 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luckylove.livejournal.com
It's really easy actually. Just combine self-loathing with mental illness and several years worth of people telling me I'm worthless and a burden to society and it would be better if I were dead, add in some suicidal ideation and running out of medication and I can believe just about anything bad especially if it's going to impact negatively on me. Piece of cake really.

Date: 2012-02-27 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiffkin.livejournal.com
I'd like to add that DLA isn't an out-of-work benefit nor is it means-tested. In many cases it doesn't cover the outlay that disabled people have to pay to get on with their normal lives - the disparity between the care allowance and the cost of paying a professional carer being the most obvious example.

For some reason - I can't possibly think why - the Government keep including DLA alongside out-of-work benefits, reinforcing the idea that people who claim it are only disabled because they are out of work, and if they just got off their arses and got jobs, their disabilities would vanish. Never mind that there are plenty of disabled people who do work and/or study, or that there are thousands upon thousands of carers who would cost the government far more than is lost to fraud if they were paid fairly for the care work they do. It's much easier for the government to use the disabled as scapegoats, because it's so difficult for the genuinely disabled to fight back.

Also, many of the people who are falsely claiming incapacity benefit/ESA are doing so due to socio-economic factors caused by the previous Tory government (not that Labour helped). I'd recommend reading Dark Heart by Nick Davies (he of the phone hacking exposé) for a good background into why so many communities are messed up.

Date: 2012-02-27 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
heh.

there was rather a lot of care work I refused, on the basis that it plain wasn't worth the c£10ph I made. Nowhere near. And I took a *lot* of bad clients.

the company I worked for eventually wrote up a Carers Charter, based purely on the level of abuse I received from their clients. My boss commented that it was effectively his way of apologising for the amount of shit he'd unwittingly put me through.

Losing that job was, psychologically, the best thing that ever happened to me.

Date: 2012-02-27 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
The worst thing about the Paypal thing is that it's not a single publisher they're doing this to, but essentially *all* self-publishers. There are only three real distributors of self-published ebooks at the moment, Amazon, Lulu and Smashwords (the latter two are where you publish if you want to get on Barnes & Noble, iBooks, Kobo, Diesel or whatever - they distribute to every non-Amazon ebookstore). Amazon and Lulu already had rules like this in place, and now Smashwords has been forced to.

Given that no major publisher is going to touch incest porn or whatever with even someone else's bargepole, this means that for those writers and readers there is now not a single commercial avenue open to them. It points up the major problems with the internet economy - we have a de facto payment monopoly that can destroy someone else's business (those writers) with no notice, and an increasingly narrow choice of delivery channels.

Date: 2012-02-27 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Yeah. I thought the comment about the first ammendment was telling: the constitution doesn't prevent anyone from infringing your speech, but the case where someone is a monopoly or a de facto monopoly is one where perhaps it should...

Date: 2012-02-27 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
(With the obvious caveats that PayPal don't prevent you telling people in person, or of giving your ebook away for free, but it's still a significant problem that anyone has an nonaccountable stranglehold over anything published. If they have that power they cna shut down all sorts of stuff without a whiff of bad publicity, just by people thinking "I'd better not take the risk", if not at their own recognisance, at the suggestion of ill-thought-out and vandalistic government intervention.)

Date: 2012-02-27 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
Part of the problem is that these corporations operate across national borders (the amount of hoops I've had to jump through to try not to get Smashwords to take US tax out of my (emphatically *not* incest-porn) book earnings is phenomenal). Some of that material might not be legal in the author's country of origin, in which case Paypal/Smashwords might then be committing a crime by paying them. I think it's not just a matter of moralising, but of covering one's own back.

(This sort of thing is why I've supported campaigns against 'extreme porn' laws in the UK even though I don't want to buy any extreme porn - and one of the reasons why Labour will never get *my* vote).

Date: 2012-02-27 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Oh yes, exactly. I assume PayPal don't really care themselves (though they might), they're just playing it safe (either because they have to, or because it's a lot easier than trying to police what's ok where) which is very understandable, but doesn't necessarily lead to the most desireable effect on society.

Date: 2012-02-27 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Alternatives to paypal. There are more alternative in the comments.

Date: 2012-02-27 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
Good piece. Unfortunately, Smashwords are basically stuck with Paypal, as it'd mean a total rewrite of their web code and accounting systems to use anything else. And this means in turn that those of us who publish through them are also stuck with Paypal :-/

Date: 2012-02-27 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
one might think it worth the relative expense of getting a small team to build the alternative web code, just to ensure, long term, that their business is not held hostage to a single payment portal.

especially given that PayPal appear to be getting worse by the month.

[I have no idea how that'd work in the real world - I am epically not a web dev]

Date: 2012-02-27 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
There are additional concerns for any non-Paypal payment system that relies on a bank or similar. If a site was seen as primarily selling adult content (which Smashwords or Lulu aren't, but some of the "romance" story sites Paypal has forced to change their t&cs recently could be seen as) then that would put it into a high risk category for the bank or payment processing company, which would mean higher charges for payments, a possible annual fee to pay and a lot of hoops to jump through.

Date: 2012-02-27 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
there are those among Labour who either have no appreciation of why they lost, or simply don't care.

and I'm now somewhat sickened by the extent to which my willingness to indulge Labour was based purely on belief in Brown.
there is, I have oft said, a limit to how wrong you can be before it comes crashing down around you. I can only hope people like Harman figure this out before they hand Cameron a decades majority.

meanwhile, I am driven further into the arms of the SNP - who at this point don't even have to prove their own case. They just have to not be anyone else.

Date: 2012-02-27 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
Is this the bit where we post Cool Book Stories?

When I was fifteen, I persuaded my parents to spend a couple of hours driving across Italy when we were on a family holiday, so that we could visit an apparently picturesque spring that I'd read about in a letter by Pliny The Younger, written in the 1st century.

It looked exactly like he'd said, it turned out!

Date: 2012-03-19 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Steam on the underground: Hopefully not coal-fired, or a particular scene from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged will stay in mind. :)

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