Date: 2011-10-10 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com

The Kindle standard is not widely used.


In the same way that .doc is not widely used. It's 80% of the ebook market by most recent figures. I can only see that growing in the short term at least.

Everyone else uses ePub, which is generally well regarded, in my understanding.

Kindle freely converts epub to its own format. Nook started out with ereader pdb as the preferred format I believe but now uses epub as preferred format. The sony reader used BBeB Book as preferred format but also read epub.

Book sellers, a quick survey has a few epub, a few "ipad/iphone format" (whatever the hell that means), googlebooks and Foyles sells PDF and ebook... as I said "the good thing about standards is that there are so many...

Don't get me wrong, I don't like proprietary formats... at all... it would be great if epub somehow rose to be the dominant standard, but pretending it is at the moment is like pretending that ODF is the standard format for documents.

Date: 2011-10-10 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
You're right actually... you need the (freely available) software to do epub. I've never actually converted from that format myself so I didn't notice it wasn't on the emaillable forms.

I despise monopolies that use non-standard methods to keep people locked in. It's why I won't use iTunes, and I won't buy Kindle books.

And presumably why you wouldn't use .doc format documents (or perhaps why you wouldn't until people reverse engineered the format) and (to a lesser extent I admit) .mp3 music files? :-)

Seriously though, for me, it's not a "lock in" as I can convert to and from any other format with ease. As the kindle itself is such a nice toy and the convenience of having all the books I buy archived with a single publisher, I'm willing to see it as the kind of relatively benign DRM that steam also provides. It keeps all my stuff centralised in one place so if I lose it I can get it again, I can shop at alternative places if I want and if the whole situation turns evil then I can rip the books to another format or steal them elsewhere and it's of the same "crime" class as ripping my CDs to mp3.

Mind you, there's still no actual substitute for MS Word on a PC or Mac to read .doc formats as everything else mucks up things royally.

Seriously, I don't think we actually disagree on the preferable hierarchy:
1) Widely used, open standard. (By far preferable)
2) Widely used closed standard.
3) No widely used standards but many competing standards some open, not freely convertible.
4) No standards but many ad hoc solutions.

Date: 2011-10-10 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Actually, I use DocX, which is a nice open format

Heh... my question was in past tense for a reason...

I'm happy enough to compromise.

I'm willing to bet though that, like my kindle compromise, at least some of your mp3 compromise is illegal in this country (feel free not to answer).

Date: 2011-10-10 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
I was more thinking of ripping your CD collection... (assuming you had one, could be bothered to rip it, and didn't rebuy everything as mp3s). I still actually buy my music on CDs and illegally rip to mp3 simply for the convenience of knowing where the back up is (it's on the CD rack in the hall). Mind you, that's not an issue with mp3 format as it would be just as illegal to rip to .ogg or .flac.

May be time to rethink though as an entire bookshelf of CDs is bloody huge as a backup system.

Date: 2011-10-10 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Heh... well if you count "reverse engineering" then anyone can also read and write kindle format.

Date: 2011-10-10 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
And as I said (elsewhere)... you mean like ripping your CDs to mp3s (which, let's face it, we almost all do or have done)? I've never been visited by the police and nor (as far as I'm aware) have people who sell such tools.

(Actually, the government did plan to make that legal though I don't think they have yet done so.)

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