Date: 2011-08-25 11:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] birguslatro
"He has been repeatedly arrested in the street outside Perth Prison by police waiting for him to be released at the end of each sentence."

I'm kinda speechless. They've no real crime to deal with?

Date: 2011-08-25 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fjm.livejournal.com
There are a number of commentators from various periods who note how much easier girls are to teach than boys. In Birmingham one of the scandals of the grammar school system when I lived there was that the girls numbers were kept small thank to restricted places. Take away all the discrimination, the extra housework girls used to have to do, etc, etc.....

Date: 2011-08-25 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
When I studied Sociology at A-Level, one of the things we had to learn about was gender divide and why girls were doing better than boys in the classroom. I assume there is research on the topic, if at least 10 years ago they were teaching it at A-Level.

They said that classrooms are more geared to girls (who are better at conversation than boys). I think they also said that coursework also helped girls, I can't remember but something tells me that boys were better at exams, but girls were better at steadily working throughout a school year, and were rewarded by high coursework marks, which in turn contributed to better overall grades?

Date: 2011-08-25 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
(Alert, typo in second link. Feel free to delete my comment once you've fixed.)

Date: 2011-08-25 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
I would love to know what that woman thought of "Bound" - since it's nothing like any of the lesbian movies she talks about.

Also - if you haven't read "Tipping The Velvet", she's right, you should. It is a fucking awesome book (and she's also right that the movie is lame.)

Date: 2011-08-25 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Bound is an awesome movie, and Gina Gershon as Corky is definitely a lesbian icon. However, it's not really a 'lesbian movie' per se. It's more a mob thriller where the protagonists happen to have had an excellent but extremely brief bout of hot lesbian sex at about the 20 minute mark. There's a good 2 hours after that in which it wouldn't matter a damn who the leads were. As such, although it might be up there on lists of 'hottest lesbians in film' or 'hottest sex scenes in film' it's rarely mentioned in lists of 'good/bad/whatever lesbian films'.

I think Fingersmith and The Night Watch are both better than Tipping the Velvet but I certainly agree that while the book was a lovely period piece, the miniseries was a ridiculous pastiche. Which I still enjoy because c'mon, Anna Chancellor wearing corsetry and riding a girl in a soldier suit. But it's not the book.

Date: 2011-08-25 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I'm not sure that's really an answerable question. I think maybe that if the leads are girls who like girls (who're with girls in the movie), and the movie doesn't have any other definable genre (other than, perhaps, 'drama' or 'comedy'), then it's a lesbian movie. Mainly it's a suck it and see thing though. Show the movie to a lesbian. Ask her if it's a lesbian movie. If she says 'yes', then it is.

Date: 2011-08-25 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
The leads in Bound are both lesbians. But the film is a Thriller.

Date: 2011-08-25 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
What about we compromise and call it a "lesbian thriller?"

Date: 2011-08-25 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Vi's a lesbian; she says as much in one scene.

Sure, but the term 'lesbian movie' means more than just 'a movie with lesbians in'. Just because something can't be concretely defined doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think you're right that a film can be two things, but in a list of 'lesbian movies' that are good, bad, sexy, icky, whatever, Bound isn't likely to feature because most of it is about stolen money and Joe Pantoliano going batshit crazy, not lesbians.

Date: 2011-08-25 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Not really. But close enough, I guess.

Date: 2011-08-25 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
What about The Runaways? Lesbian heartbreak is at the heart of the film, even though that's not the general plot.

Lesbian movie or not?

Date: 2011-08-25 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I am not the boss of lesbian movie taxonomy! Also I haven't seen it yet, and seeing it would be the only way to know.

Date: 2011-08-25 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
Ha!

I didn't even realize she was lesbian.

Date: 2011-08-25 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I once couldn't find a film in HMV (quite some years ago) and ended up finding it in the Gay Cinema section. I guess that film was pretty clearly a lesbian movie.

I always think it's odd to have sections like that. "Gay" isn't a genre, and nor is "World". If I like Fellini films, it doesn't mean that I'll enjoy Tetsuo. Although I guess a lot of straight people seem to be scared that if they watch a film with gay people in and they're not comic relief or Trusted But Gay Best Friend So Thank Heaven They're Not After My BF/GF then they might turn gay themselves or something.

Date: 2011-08-25 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
The mini series tried to play it too "safe" - it's the boundary crossing that makes the book interesting and there are just some things in the book that the mini series just wasn't willing to go deal with.

Date: 2011-08-25 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
That 'death of the author' thing is just as nonsensical as 'death of the musician' things written about MP3s. Plenty of people will pay for content even if it's given away for free, unless the 10% of my income that comes from books I've previously serialised on my blog is a lie.

At the moment, at least, ebook royalties pay *massively* better than those from publishers - I make 70% on my Kindle books, for example - so if (BIG if) that doesn't decrease, then there's no reason why authors can't start living primarily off royalties.

In fact there's so much wrong with it that... it's just absurd. But take this:

"Is there an alternative to this catastrophe? If so, it cannot lie where Chris Anderson recommends, in having what he terms "freemium viewing" – locked or extra content for subscribers (a system devised for newspapers and computer games). What would this mean for the book? An extra chapter? An author's commentary? The final sentence if you pay more?"

For my books (non-fiction, but a very similar thing will apply when I finish my short story collection - I'm currently selling the stories too cheaply for this to matter) you can read the main text, in full, on my blog for free. Or you can buy them, and have an index (in the print version - no need in ebooks, obviously), nice typesetting, an introduction, additional footnotes, acknowledgements, better proofreading/editing (I get four or five people to check the books over before publishing them, and make adjustments accordingly) and a cover. They also (if purchasing from Lulu) get a thank-you email. That's precisely that kind of 'freemium' content the writer dismisses as impossible.

There are, of course, good arguments for writers still using publishers (Charles Stross has outlined them very well on his blog, for example) but that article just reads like FUD.

Date: 2011-08-25 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
regarding that fanfic article:

"It challenges just about everything we thought we knew about art and creativity. "

This is absolute bollocks. I mean seriously, what an arse.

Perhaps if you have never heard of Dada, Gysin, Burroughs, Warhol, Lichtenstein and others then yes, it'll challenge what you knew about art and creativity. On the other hand, if actually know something about art over the last nine decades and creativity, you'll have a framework to put things into and won't just scream HOLY SHIT REMIXING IS NEW ART STOP THE PRESS

All that said, yes, it is a well-balanced mainstream article about fan fiction. I guess when you can buy fan fiction in Waterstones, the mainstream media have to notice it.

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