Date: 2010-09-23 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] major-clanger.livejournal.com
That translation is almost poetic, in a rather disturbing way.

Date: 2010-09-23 11:58 am (UTC)
ext_16733: (Work)
From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
It's now on Language Log (via [livejournal.com profile] marnanel) and Charlie's Diary (via us in the pub last night - which led to Patrick giving Charlie the Portuguese menu).

I've been keeping a kinda-sorta proprietorial eye on it since Tuesday night when it hit the Shib mailing list....

Date: 2010-09-23 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
> Can you imagine whole semesters of reading about vaginas?

I'm going to go away and think about that now.

Date: 2010-09-23 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usmu.livejournal.com
Aren't we already doing that with biology and sex ed? ;)

Boys reading...

Date: 2010-09-23 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
File that article under the, "If only we approached them properly and persuasively, boys would stop being boys."

For example, "Maybe this idea that there aren’t enough boy stories gives credit to absolutely no one, especially not the boys who will happily read stories by women, about women"

This is utter bollocks.

It's not a question of author gender, or to do with how they are marketed. It's to do with content.

Most boys want to read certain kinds of book. If you want boys to enjoy reading, then that's what you have to offer them.

Sticking a tank on the cover of a female written book about Feelings and the Tragedy of War won't actually make most boys want to read it. A book about a Roman centurian reclaiming a lost eagle, however, will do very nicely, despite the author being a wheelchair bound lady artist.

It is bizarre and suspicious that the boys stories of less than 30 years ago have vanished, leaving a gaping niche, and yet tales of manly adventure for men (Scarrow, Cornwall etc) are doing very well indeed.

[Utterly agree with her about the way in the past male voices have dominated literature, and how unacceptable it is that female focussed fiction gets dismissed as froth.]

Re: Boys reading...

Date: 2010-09-23 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
I think you're saying "I don't care who writes the book, as long as the content is interesting to me".

I have read and enjoyed many books written by women, e.g. (in no particular order) Trudy Canavan, Anne McCaffrey, Jill Murphy, Robin Hobb, Rosemary Sutcliffe, Jan Pieńkowski (that's going back a bit), Gillian Cross, Elizabeth Moon, Ursula Moray Williams, Diane Duane, Barbara Hambly, Enid Blyton, Beatrix Potter and J K Rowling.

You might note a few trends there, unrelated to the gender of the authors.

It's the same as in films. For some reason people seem to think that since I'm male, that I'll only watch films featuring men being manly. I have loved most of the films I've seen where the star is a woman; all that matters is that the subject or genre is something I like.

Re: Boys reading...

Date: 2010-09-23 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
The original article was cited as relating to YA (Young Adult, approx 12+ I think) and actually seemed to talk abotu childrens books in general.

As an adult male, I enjoy a variety of books including ones supposedly "chick" orientated. I also like lots of different types of films, and will happily settle down to watch a supposed "chick flick".

As a boy... well, I was interested in being a man.

Re: Boys reading...

Date: 2010-09-23 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
Ah, so that's what YA stands for, I was wondering. As a boy I was interested in reading about adventure and magic (still am really).

Re: Boys reading...

Date: 2010-09-23 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
Hmmm, later checking would reveal that Jan Pieńkowski is in fact a man. I made the assumption because I thought Jan was a female name, and his partner is called David.

However, since he wasn't in fact the author I was thinking of, but instead the illustrator, and the author was a woman called Helen Nicoll, I think I got away with it.

Date: 2010-09-23 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0olong.livejournal.com
'Please apologize for your stupidity. There are a many thank you' is particularly wonderful.

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