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Date: 2010-06-23 01:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:11 pm (UTC)Something like "the patriarchical slant of society causes the standards to be the way they are" would seem less conspiracy-minded to me.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:14 pm (UTC)Nevermind. This is so not an interesting road to go down.
*wanders off muttering to self* Avoid semantics, avoid semantics, avoid semantics.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:21 pm (UTC)If you're saying "The Patriarchy set our societal standards!" then a reasonable sized chunk of the population are going to look at you as if you were saying "The Communists are in charge of the Media!" or "The Lizard People eat our children!".
If you say "The patriarchal slant of society affects our standards" then you've got a more nuanced statement which doesn't push people away so much.
IMHO, of course.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:32 pm (UTC)When I say The Patriarchy, I mean The Patriarchy. I'm not using some mysterious personal definition. Go look it up yourself. One last time, I've done it for you:
Within feminist theory, patriarchy refers to the structure of modern cultural and political systems, which are ruled by men. Such systems are said to be detrimental to the rights of women.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:45 pm (UTC)Which is why I didn't do that.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:20 pm (UTC)Elsewhere, I'm having a conversation about how I'm likely to want to stay home and raise the hypothetical kids. Both women and men have told me that's weird. In one case, that I was probably a paedophile.
If I'm getting it from both ends, so to speak, why is it a patriarchy?
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:27 pm (UTC)Because if we're talking average salaries, sure.
If we're talking childrearing, or primary school teaching (I broke off a friendship with a girl over that one - 'male primary teachers just aren't natural'), or paternity leave, not so much. If we're talking those roles even being valued, then not so much.
That's why 'patriarchy' is a harmful term. It obscures who's penalised.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:31 pm (UTC)Because I basically agree with you. I know _why_ it has the name it has, but I don't find the general phrasing of it very useful.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:36 pm (UTC)Originally (when I was 15), I assumed it meant men in charge, and the mythical boardroom. How awful, sure don't want to be one of those villains. Later, I learned it was more general and described male dominance - how awful, I'll try not to be one of them either. But when I read arguments about how there's a patriarchy dominating, say, a woman-run charity, I lose track of what problem is being described.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-23 01:27 pm (UTC)And it highlights what I was saying in my other comment - if you're going to engage with people online then then they aren't going to know what you mean, or what your background is, etc. So using terms that are ripe for misunderstanding and confusion is going to make life harder.
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Date: 2010-06-23 01:29 pm (UTC)That's not helpful. I'm asking to learn.