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May. 11th, 2010
If we get a LD/Con alliance then we clearly get Cameron as PM.
However, for a LD/Lab/SNP/PC alliance who do we get? We can't get Brown - so do we get another Labour MP? Will we get Clegg? I can see there being an awful lot of debate over what to do there. And I can't see Labour being happy to give the LDs a big boost by handing them that much extra publicity. Unless they want to make all of the austerity measures look like the LDs fault. In any case, it's going to be a gamble over whether the PM ends up looking very, very bad or very, very good.
However, for a LD/Lab/SNP/PC alliance who do we get? We can't get Brown - so do we get another Labour MP? Will we get Clegg? I can see there being an awful lot of debate over what to do there. And I can't see Labour being happy to give the LDs a big boost by handing them that much extra publicity. Unless they want to make all of the austerity measures look like the LDs fault. In any case, it's going to be a gamble over whether the PM ends up looking very, very bad or very, very good.
If we had Proportional Representation
May. 11th, 2010 12:00 pmI'd have expected the Labour party to splinter around the time of the Iraq war.
I'd expect the Tory party to splinter the moment someone said "Europe".
We have broad parties full of people that don't like the views of many of the people they're associated with. Once it becomes possible to elect smaller parties I expect many of them to head for the hills.
Working out how many votes "The Conservatives" or "Labour" will get at in a proportional system is not likely to get you a very useful result.
(Been meaning to write this for a few days, and finally spurred to it when someone else posted about it, sadly flocked.)
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I'd expect the Tory party to splinter the moment someone said "Europe".
We have broad parties full of people that don't like the views of many of the people they're associated with. Once it becomes possible to elect smaller parties I expect many of them to head for the hills.
Working out how many votes "The Conservatives" or "Labour" will get at in a proportional system is not likely to get you a very useful result.
(Been meaning to write this for a few days, and finally spurred to it when someone else posted about it, sadly flocked.)
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May. 11th, 2010 12:01 pm-
It's on the BBC - it must be true. Actually, did anyone see this when it broadcast?
Interesting
May. 11th, 2010 02:51 pmLots of resistance from both Liberals and Labour to a Lib/Lab coalition. You can read it here.
Looks like numerous Labour people want the party to go off, lick its wounds, and work out where to go next, rather than going into a fragile coalition and tearing itself apart. I can certainly see the merit in that.
Looks like numerous Labour people want the party to go off, lick its wounds, and work out where to go next, rather than going into a fragile coalition and tearing itself apart. I can certainly see the merit in that.
Withholding judgement
May. 11th, 2010 10:12 pmI'm waiting to see what the Lib Dems and Conservatives have agreed.
If they have managed to get the bottom end of Income Tax raised to £10,000 through, prevented the rise in Inheritance Tax exemptions, and stopped the ridiculous marriage giveaway then that's a good start. If they can get a referendum on voting reform in, then I'll actually be happy.
The Lib Dems were never going to get a majority. And that means working with one of the other parties in order to get some of what they wanted. Labour were refusing to negotiate (last rumour I heard was that ID cards were a major sticking point), so if they can get what they want out of the Tories then I'm right behind them.
The Tories cannot pass _anything_ without Lib-Dem backing. I'm hoping that this takes the worst edges off of them. If it doesn't - if they just back the Tories irrespectively and don't get electoral reform, then they deserve to go down in flames.
Now to wait for the details...
(Some stuff here, and Robert Peston's take here)
If they have managed to get the bottom end of Income Tax raised to £10,000 through, prevented the rise in Inheritance Tax exemptions, and stopped the ridiculous marriage giveaway then that's a good start. If they can get a referendum on voting reform in, then I'll actually be happy.
The Lib Dems were never going to get a majority. And that means working with one of the other parties in order to get some of what they wanted. Labour were refusing to negotiate (last rumour I heard was that ID cards were a major sticking point), so if they can get what they want out of the Tories then I'm right behind them.
The Tories cannot pass _anything_ without Lib-Dem backing. I'm hoping that this takes the worst edges off of them. If it doesn't - if they just back the Tories irrespectively and don't get electoral reform, then they deserve to go down in flames.
Now to wait for the details...
(Some stuff here, and Robert Peston's take here)