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Date: 2010-05-11 08:38 am (UTC)The fact that we're not as deep in it as Greece (which has internal corruption problems) or Ireland (over-reliant on the US) can be credited to the outgoing Labour government.
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Date: 2010-05-11 08:20 am (UTC)It will be interesting to see what the increasingly frustrated Tory press make of it all as the Tories won't be obliged to campaign in favour of AV and yet most ofthe general public will be in favour of reform. It could be another nail in the coffin of the newspapers dictating politics to the masses. After the bluster of "The Sun what won it" we now have a Hung parliment because people DIDN'T listen to the tabloids, which is refreshing.
Whilst under normal circumstances I would much prefer Labour and Lib Dems in power together, the position is currently untenable; Tories got the biggest vote and Labour are without a leader. Clegg is in a horrible position of being damned by the party or damned by the rest of the public if he chooses Tories or Labour respectively, but this is ALL about getting reforms through and once that happens it is a game changer. In a year's time when the coalition enevitably collaspes, Lib Dems will gain far more marginal seats and the "wasted vote" brigade will be fair less effective.
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Date: 2010-05-11 08:28 am (UTC)I'm not sure that is the case. 78% of the electorate did not vote for a party in favour of electoral reform.
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Date: 2010-05-11 08:41 am (UTC)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7697099/General-Election-2010-half-of-voters-want-proportional-representation.html
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Date: 2010-05-11 10:44 am (UTC)However, returning from my puerile amusement to issues of mere national importance, it's not proportional, is it? I don't know enough about it (must google) but I've heard some pro-PR people saying "It's WORSE than FPTP".
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Date: 2010-05-11 08:30 am (UTC)Which won't happen if they form a big rainbow coalition. A creaky alliance is going to make the involved parties look weak, plus now there's the issue of Labour trying to foist a second unelected Prime Minister on the country.
They should sit out this dance and wait for the next one.
I think the Lib Dems are going to get eaten alive next election. I don't see what they can do to improve on their performance this year, so the only way is down. It will be even worse if it's an emotive election along traditional Left V Right battlelines: Labour and Tory supporters will run back to their own parties to keep the other ones out.
The only real hope for the Lib Dems is the introduction of PR, but imho they've got no chance of getting that from Cameron and I'm not sure a LibLab alliance will be in a strong enough position to push it through. Even then, we're all assuming that a referendum on PR would result in a Yes from the British people. Don't be so sure. Right now, pro-PR types are dominating this conversation, but there may be a surprising amount of resistance when it's but to the public.
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Date: 2010-05-11 12:40 pm (UTC)With a wider spread of parties, who would _have_ to compromise, you might end up with a bit less tribalism. If your party had a chance of power, and the next party over wasn't really that bad, then you might be less attached.
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Date: 2010-05-11 01:24 pm (UTC)1. a minority Tory administration would mean an early election and a subsequent Tory majority so they could push through all their manifesto
2. a Lib/Lab (and other) pact would mean both the Lib Dems and Labour would get blamed for the harsh measures that will be brought in and be out of power for a generation after this parliament.
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Date: 2010-05-11 02:34 pm (UTC)While I'd like, purely on instinct, to see a LibLab+ coalition, it's fairly clear that Labour have a desperate need to go somewhere nice and quiet until they figure out What Went Wrong [and no it isn't just Brown - the entire Cabinet is shagging awful]. The concept of Milliband or Jonston as PM is just vomitous.
A lot is being said about Cleggs education and family ties, but that has bugger all to do with where and who is is now.
Simply truth is - as the electorate has concluded - there is no natural leader out there right now. Cameron is a smooth mask on a bunch of arrogant bastards, Clegg a relative unknown with a ghost of a party, Labour floating around on the detritus of a damned nasty shipwreck.
It's something of a pity there has to be a PM. The concept of non-partisan co-operative Parliament is very appealing
if totally impossible
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Date: 2010-05-11 05:50 pm (UTC)N.B. I'm an American.