Continuity

Nov. 14th, 2005 09:00 pm
andrewducker: (Sex)
[personal profile] andrewducker
DC comics are currently going through one of their occasional reboots.  The first of these was "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and occurred because the writers had got themselves into a terrible mess with huge spaghetti trees of conflicting continuity, multiple universes, Superman being given new powers on an almost daily basis by whichever writer couldn't think of a decent plot, and the whole universe was generally thought to only be comprehensible to the kind of geek who has all 7 issues of Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew (including the one that was never actually published, but escaped in photcopy form).

Anyway, they blew up the universe, started over, and promised to make it work this time.

It didn't.

So they blew it up again,

It still didn't,

A few reboots later we end up with _yet another_ Crisis, where they promise that afterwards it will all make sense.

It won't.

It's impossible to keep that many stories, with that many editors and that many writers, all working together in a coherent whole.  Not _and_ tell decent stories.  For goodness' sake, Star Trek couldn't keep its own consistency straight across any given season, and that was one show.

I actually suspect that what they ought to do is make an official announcement of 10-yearly reboots.  Take something that everyone knows happens every few years and make it an explicit part of the way you tell them.

"In order to keep things fresh we will blow up the universe and restart it every ten years.  If writers want to bring in old continuity they're always welcome to, but just because they bring in villain X it doesn't mean that they're forced to acknowledge every detail of history with that character."

Give the writers a chance to tell the final stories of their characters.  Allow them to change, to grow, and to die.  And then start all over again, keeping the good, and throwing out the bad, and trying a completely different way of approaching the stories.  Let them tell stories that never fitted into the old continuity, but can do so when they don't have to bend around vast amounts of embedded crustiness.

Marvel have done something similar to this, only in a case of having their cake and eating it, they've split off a whole new universe (the Ultimate Universe) where new versions of their most bankable characters exist, telling new stories (or versions of old ones) in interesting and exciting ways, where the writers don't have to worry about who's alive, who's dead and who said what to who on page 17 of a comic published in 1967.

It's the same as when you watch the JLU cartoon, or watch the Batman movie - you don't expect those to fall in precisely with established continuity, so you don't worry about it.  Of course, you'd want things to follow continuity within any particular cycle, but explicitly stopping every so often would give writers more freedom to do new interpretations of things and not have to worry about glitches.

Continuity is good - you want to feel connected to the characters and you want to feel like the world they live in grows and changes over time.  But the problem with characters that can't change over time is that they grow stale.  And the problem with characters that _do_ change over time is that they eventually either die or grow too complex to deal with.

So kill them off every so often, and start again.  Give them their final stories and heroic deaths.  And then start the story over, and let someone else tell the story of how Robin Hood met Little John.

Death to Continuity!

Long Live the New Continuity!

Date: 2005-11-14 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cx650.livejournal.com
I'll give you one guess why I gave up reading both.

Date: 2005-11-14 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cx650.livejournal.com
You got it in one, you spoilsport!

Date: 2005-11-14 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
I totally disagree. And I'm not sure which reboots you're talking about. I'm aware of Crisis OIE, Zero Hour (which tidied up some loose ends rather then rebooting things, although I'll give you that the universe did indeed explode, heh), and the current Infinite Crisis. The present DCU does make sense and is really the best it's ever been. Much more so than the MU and even Ultimate MU (which is mostly drek). Has to be said.



Date: 2005-11-15 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allorin.livejournal.com
UMU is drek?

Andrew, where'd we put the firing squad?

Date: 2005-11-15 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
You'll be sorry! You're making a big mistake! *shakes fist* :P

Ultimate F4 and Ultimate Iron Man are supposed UMU nadirs.

Date: 2005-11-15 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
That could be a good move - it was supposed to be very strong when it started. I don't know when it goes downhill in terms of collections, but I've heard many unpleasant things about guest appearances from Ultimate Black Cat (jesus) and Ultimate Moon Knight (why?), and the use of Gwen Stacy (boring more than anything else). It's possibly after Ultimate zzz Venom that that rot sets in.

Be warned! :-)

Date: 2005-11-15 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
Heh heh. Each to his own. I'm not fond of the Ultimate lines reliance on the continuity of the old MU. Instead of retelling old stories, why not just tell new stories? Or tell widescreen stories in the normal MU?

One of the main attractions in the beginning was supposedly that the UMU would be accessible and free from continuity baggage - you could just pick up something and enjoy it. Now a couple of years down the road it's already mired in its own continuity (and the continuity of the existing MU!) Some simplicity. :)

I guess the biggest disappointment is that The Ultimates, which I like, has to be attached to the rest of the line. That's one hell of a drag factor. :P

Date: 2005-11-15 01:09 am (UTC)
shannon_a: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shannon_a
That was _Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew_ and it went 20 issues.

In any case, Infinite Crisis isn't a continuity reset from what I understand, but more a thematic reset.

Date: 2005-11-15 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cx650.livejournal.com
Pardon my higgerance. what's the difference between 'thematic' and 'continuity' in this context?

Date: 2005-11-15 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
Past stories will still have officially happened, but certain titles will be getting back to basics and brightening things up. It's been awfully dark recently and I think the publisher is a bit sick of it.

Date: 2005-11-15 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
This reminds me of a Lafferty(?) story which mentions God trying to end the universe, but not being quite satisfied with how He does it. So He ends it again while trying to improve the special effects. And again.

The only end the universe is going to get is repeated failed endings.

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