Date: 2025-01-30 01:34 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
As to his daughter, I believe one has no right to publicly criticise one's parents, and vice versa.

Date: 2025-01-30 01:59 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
I can't imagine myself publicly criticising my parents, or my kids, or my grandkids, or my ex. Just shutting the fuck up would be more decent, if there are serious causes.

Date: 2025-01-30 02:56 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
Acting - yes. Having acted - too late. I'd keep silence, even in the court.

Date: 2025-01-30 02:58 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
I had the same treatment from my parents as Wilson and for the same reason so I feel I had every right to criticise what they did to me which was to throw me out when I was fifteen.

There are times when shutting thr fuck up just doesn't cut it or the abuse continues!

Date: 2025-01-30 03:16 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
This may be a special reason, I guess. Still, why do it publicly?

Date: 2025-01-30 04:58 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
For the reason I just stated- otherwise the abuse continues.

Sometimes you have to shame people.

Respect is not something you are given- it's something you earn as I learned in twenty years of teaching.

Date: 2025-01-30 05:46 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
I respect my kids since they were born.
I respected all of my students when I was teaching.
I believe your attitude is not what I would ever agree with.

Date: 2025-01-30 07:58 pm (UTC)
ninetydegrees: Art: self-portrait (Default)
From: [personal profile] ninetydegrees

His father is a public figure who regularly spews hatred about other people, including his own daughter, and lies about his own life and his daughter's life. Why couldn't she reply back? Why couldn't she tell her truth? Why couldn't she speak up against his hatred towards "woke" and trans people as any citizen can?

Have you actually read the article? And why are you comparing two situations that are completely different?

Edited Date: 2025-01-30 07:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2025-01-30 08:38 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
Also, I was not talking about her specific case, where she has to fight to protect herself. It's a different case. And, after all, he started it, what could she do.

In this specific case I'd rather blame Musk.

But we were kind of generalizing, were not we?

Date: 2025-01-30 08:52 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
My 'attitude' as you call it is having to deal with having been abused by my parents and if everyone to whom that happened kept quiet about it, what sort of world would we be living in?

Date: 2025-01-30 11:03 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
Oh, I have probably used a term that triggers something I did not mean to trigger. I have opinions and attitudes, you have opinions and attitudes. I'm not making any attempt to push mine on you, and neither do you, right?

I know nothing about your past, you, I guess, know nothing about mine. We just exchange our views. It's really horrible that people had to get through life being abused by parents. It's horrible.

Date: 2025-01-30 06:50 pm (UTC)
movingfinger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] movingfinger
Because the abuser is widening the target circle for his abuse? Because other people should be aware of the abuse pattern and on guard against it?

You clearly have a weevil about this, so fine, don't criticize your parents in public. But don't be shocked that other people see it very differently.

Date: 2025-01-30 02:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
Agreed. I believe that family are not a special case. They do not get any free rides. I do not hold them to a lesser (or greater) standard than anyone else. My own family are also like this (can't speak for my 11 year old nephew).

I have observed that other people think differently. One point of friction between me and my (long) ex husband.
Edited Date: 2025-01-30 02:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2025-01-30 03:09 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
This surprises me, but well, now I see: opinions vary. Probably I have a very different background.

Date: 2025-01-30 05:00 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Exactly! You may be very lucky in having respectful parents. Not everyone is that fortunate.

An aunt came to my rescue and I gave her all the respect she deserved for that selfless act.

Date: 2025-01-30 05:48 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
I see. Yes. I had a lot of freedom. Me, and a friend of mine, we were both counting on this attitude of our adults, and we felt our responsibility.

Date: 2025-01-30 03:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] poshmerchant
Depends on the parents, but for public figures especially there is no expectation of privacy from filial duty

Date: 2025-01-30 04:11 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
Now imagine you have a child who is a public figure. Will you undermine that figure, if you have reasons to, or?

Date: 2025-01-30 06:56 pm (UTC)
movingfinger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] movingfinger
Why are you even asking this?

If a member of one's family is doing great harm to the public, as a public figure, why would one be expected to silently endorse that person by protecting them and not criticizing them? The Kennedys are a fabulous example of a family where omertà was expected, buffing and polishing away crime and umcomfortable truths and inconvenient people. If someone (the Musk case) is cranking up pogroms and horrific bigotry and persecution because his nose is out of joint because someone he abused from her childhood onward isn't going along with him on that, he should be exposed and criticized volubly and publicly. Silence is enabling.

Date: 2025-01-30 07:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss
I am not sure if you're being sarcastic and I'm missing it and will look ridiculous, but I do not think that something with quite so many boxes can be called a really simple guide to self-care.

Date: 2025-01-30 07:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss

I think the reason I think it’s far from simple is that almost everyone in the world without a large private income can’t have a lot of things. The process of deciding between them and then scaffolding the most important is what enables restoration. The implication that they are all available by an act of will is misleading.

Date: 2025-01-30 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss

I was more thinking about time, capacity and self-regulation than money per se, though of course that must also be a factor in many.

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