Date: 2020-04-19 11:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heron61
What most American liberals don't realize about Republican voters

When people vote for actual fascists my concern for their reasons and motives vanishes. We don't need to understand them or find common cause with them, we just need to defeat them, and if the US can get closer to actual fair voting (IOW reducing voter suppression) we can easily do this, and then we don't need to care what these people think or why they are now fascists.

Date: 2020-04-19 07:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heron61
I disagree - there's no point in trying to convince people to vote differently - it largely doesn't work. Instead, winning elections in the US now consists of which side does the better job of motivating people on their side to vote. So, we need to do a better job of understanding what motives people who vote Democrat to do so - we can ignore how and why the fascists vote as they do. I'm basing this on Rachel Bitecofer's theory of negative partisanship, which seems to be the best model for predicting recent US elections.

Date: 2020-04-20 12:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyprinella
It's a bit less of that and more of keeping the GOP from erecting a shitton of barriers for people who vote Democratic. See also the recent WI election where the GOP took the state to court to prevent extending mail in voting in the middle of a pandemic and also closed all but two in person polling places in a major city. Because they know they lose when the voting opportunity is fair.

Date: 2020-04-19 12:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss
The article about Republican voters is fascinating. Thank you.

WoW!

Date: 2020-04-19 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lsanderson
Ittsa a local!

Rural Republicans

Date: 2020-04-20 10:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Very interesting article on rural Republican voters.

I think it is important to remember that there are fivew groups of electors inthe US, Democrats, Republicans, strongly supporting someone else and the largest groups Not Really Paying Much Attention Until the Election and Did Not Vote.

I think demographics probably does for the potency of the Republican voting coalition in about 15 years time.

They currently hold a slim but consistent majority in the Senate and they have a small but consistent advantage in the Electoral College.

They seem hell-bent on alienating Hispanic voters. That's a demographic that is growing in the US and, I think, growing in many of the areas that Republicans tend to win.

From a low base the Hispanic population has doubled between 2000 and 2010 in the following States

South Carolina

Alabama

Tennessee

Kentucky

North Carolina

Maryland

Mississipp

South Dakota

In Texas the population has grown from 32% in 2010 to 39% in 2017, and in Florida from 17% to 25%.

As more people move from rural areas to urban areas that seems to change their voting behaviour. Which doesn't help much if they are moving from rural states to New York City or San Franscisco, but it does make a difference if they are moving to Phoenix in Arizona.

My observation from growing up in Queensland is that a party using illegimate means to win elections only has to lose once for things to change significantly and once a party who is using voter suppression and gerrymandering to win elections loses they lose very heavily for a few terms as the vote-rigging is made illegal and they can't cope.

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