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Date: 2017-10-19 12:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
The 'truck' currencies of the 19th century also prove how rapidly such a system can become utterly corrupt too!

Date: 2017-10-19 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] casimirian
Yeah. What's with that Illuminati spam?

Date: 2017-10-19 12:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
If that dyslexia diagnosis is correct, you could cure it by simply wearing an eyepatch.

I could have told the autism researchers about compensation. My few successes in social interactions come when I have a flash of insight into WWND (What Would Neurotypicals Do?).

"He knew what he signed up for" thread puzzles me. First, because the argument is that soldiers don't sign up to be killed, or even in anticipation that they might be killed. Really? I don't see that sort of denial in, say, the letters home of WW1 soldiers. But maybe that's because they predated what the writer claims is the highest priority of the military, to protect their soldiers' lives. That priority worries me, because it's belief by the US police that protecting their own lives is their highest priority that causes too many of them to shoot anything that moves, or occasionally that doesn't move.

Second, the comments by others accusing the author of not quoting the context of Trump's remark. But none of them that I saw give the context either, so I don't know what they mean. Maybe they mean Trump's next phrase, which was something like "but it still hurts when it happens." That dosn't excuse it. Trump's mistake wasn't that his statement was wrong, it was the way that he phrased it (something like "he knew this could happen" would be less bad), and the utter utter crassness of saying it in a consolatory phone call. Before he tries doing something like this again, Trump needs an intensive course in WWND.

Date: 2017-10-19 05:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyprinella
The US military spent a lot of decades not getting shot at between Vietnam and Iraq (and I'd argue Afghanistan/Iraq, not the one under Bush I given how little of that was ground based). People had whole careers and retired without ever seeing action. People who signed up during WW1 and 2 knew they were going right to the front. I think anyone who signed up pre 2001 probably didn't think it would happen. And like the tweeter said casualty rate is really low compared to the size of the actual military (and definitely low compared to the civilian losses :( ) and there's probably still a decent chance you're going to get out with minimal scaring and a decent financial footing. Something someone without any options before signing up would look at as a good deal. I mean, I just checked and the US per capita car crash death rate was 11.59/10000 or six times as high last year.

That priority worries me, because it's belief by the US police that protecting their own lives is their highest priority that causes too many of them to shoot anything that moves, or occasionally that doesn't move

If it helps you feel any better, I've heard from a bunch of veterans how they get tons more training in de-escalating a situation than cops do.

The future is everyone having their own currency

Date: 2017-10-19 01:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jack
I remember someone (the city planner book woman?) saying she thought a natural economic unit might be a large city with associated areas. Where most people's salary, rent, and food in that area are all in the same currency (because you want to pay your debts in the same currency you get paid in so you don't get constantly exposed to currency fluctuations), even if other expenditures might be tied to a different city.

That would mean, say, some parts of the country devaluing while others didn't. Which would be good in that you don't get stuck in a recession because people 100s of miles away are doing ok with the currency where it is and the government's not investing in your region. But bad because it means you can have a lot of inequality if you end up paid in YorkshireGBP and buying food or paying rent in LondonGBP. The last thing we want is to go back to "rich people's currency and poor people's currency" or an even more divided system.

This used to be nearly impossible for practical reasons, dealing with lots of currency is difficult, both practically (physically accepting different coins/notes) and economically (which is why the Euro was suggested in the first place).

Now, with much more electronic payment and pricing systems, it would be more physically possible to accept different currencies. Imagine if more shops just took euros at the appropriate rate (like they often accept cards from another country), but the rates for converting weren't extortionate.

But I've no idea of the economic implications. Would it be better, because more areas could find their own level? Or worse, because of increased barriers to trade, etc.
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From: [personal profile] jack
Or, come to think of it, I had a really disturbing idea. The effect of devaluing a currency is something like, "everyone there gets less well off compared to outsiders, but you don't go bust and there are jobs because exports go up, and the economic misery is spread around somewhat instead of being people with jobs are mostly ok and everyone else is screwed"

But if you'd like to devalue your currency but don't have your own currency... the traditional way is something like "hope the richer parts of your currency region invest in you and reap the benefits of economic revitalisation over 50-100 years". Or "hope they invest in you but accept a millwheel round your neck of debilitating debt".

I wonder if there could be "invest in you, but have tarrifs on imported things". That mirrors the currency effect, but possibly more selectively than "everything". But then, "not having internal tarrifs" is one of the main benefits of having the same currency so maybe it's pointless speculation.

ETA: Or a basic income. A basic income would help a lot.
Edited Date: 2017-10-19 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
It would be illuminating to study the history of Social Credit in Alberta in the 1930s. The provincial government tried to increase the money supply by issuing scrip that vendors were required to take. Would have been fine in a closed system, but those vendors needed to buy supplies from outside of Alberta, and the scrip didn't run there.
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From: [personal profile] nancylebov
The (anti-)city planning woman is Jane Jacobs.

Date: 2017-10-19 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elf
I wonder how that California law works for contractors where the hiring company is located in another state (like me, for my last three jobs).

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