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Date: 2012-05-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Mmm... I'm guessing that pirate bay block is 99% effective... That is, given 100 typical internet users only one will be able to circumvent it (I know how easy it is but most people have computer fear). Though unfortunately the 1% who can get round it are the 1% most likely to use it.

I imagine the software here will be slightly less effective than that. On the other hand I imagine there will be similar consequences for little Johnny found hacking his way round the porn filter.

Date: 2012-05-09 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Yes -- they have an unusually technical audience.

The question is, how many motivated 12 year old children would be able and willing to hack around such filtering software -- add to it a risk that the software might alert their parents to such a circumvention attempt and I bet the amount gets higher.

Of course you can still distribute stuff out-of-band... USB keys and so on.

Date: 2012-05-09 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
If you were a complete bastard you could make the outcome of the porn filter really unpleasant.

Not just a block on the sites your 12-year olds want to access.

Not just a notification to mum and dad.

But an email sent to every member of the family, including grandma, detailing exactly what you've been looking at.

Why you would want to shame your own adolescent children into hating their own sexuality is a different question.

Date: 2012-05-09 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com

Why you would want to shame your own adolescent children into hating their own sexuality is a different question.


Heh... well, there's the rub, if you'll pardon the pun.

The real issue is to what extent do we wish to prevent children seeing these things. I mean for me there's clear outcomes... I wouldn't want my seven year old god-daughter watching torture porn. I don't think it's any of my business if a sixteen year old has similar access that I do to pornography. Somewhere between is a grey area I don't really know enough to comment upon.

Date: 2012-05-09 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Heh... I'm not sure relying on children to go "Ewwww" is 100% effective as a porn block.

Date: 2012-05-10 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
Yeah – there’s a definite grey area and it’s not just about porn. There are lots of things I’m okay about my children seeing but only if I’m able to put the information in context. (And I acknowledge that the context I put them in will be my context but that’s parenthood.)

For example, I wouldn’t want the Captain to start reading Far Right literature until I’d had an opportunity to tell him the story of his great-uncle liberating Belsen or pointing out to him that he’s half Slavic.

So context I think it pretty important. Specifically on porn I wouldn’t want my children to think that porn was a sex manual or a relationship guide. And I agree, six is way too young for torture porn. Sixteen year olds are old enough to look after themselves.

I think part of people’s discomfort lies in themselves. I don’t particularly want to be explaining why some people like water sports to an eight year old (but why I’d really like to continue to use the toilet). Nor do I want to be known as “The Capt’s Dad, he tells the Capt about perverts.” Much easier to ban it or restrict it and never have to have the conversation. Especially the conversation that starts “Well, actually, your mother and I quite like…”

Date: 2012-05-10 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
You're right that it's a far wider discussion than just porn though god that becomes even worse.

Much easier to ban it or restrict it and never have to have the conversation.

Oh... that's rather different sure.

I am not in a position to offer informed comment not being a parent. However, were I, I would want my child to be able to use a computer freely without my direct supervision ("here are some parameters for use, now go do your thing") from an early age. I am also aware that it would be pretty easy for such an unsupervised child with unrestricted computer access to find some things I definitely would not want them to see without some kind of restriction in place. So I feel sure I would use some kind of filter system.

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