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Date: 2012-04-21 11:18 am (UTC)
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Heh, I've always wondered why we use the French spelling for a German town, but at least there's some consistency instead of stupidity.

Date: 2012-04-21 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poisonduk.livejournal.com
The problem with e-book readers is that amazon have cornered the market. There's not much additional functionality can be added to an e-book reader. And Amazon have the customer service nuance to kick every other companies butt. I'd actually be interested to here what happens if you call up about a broken Sony or Kobo.

Date: 2012-04-21 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
Also it's a rather new market and there hasn't been much time for innovation to happen.

The market being familiar and somewhat static is the time that innovation is more likely to happen, since it's the point where people will be able to say "okay, it's not a bubble - this is a thing that works and people like, so let's start seeing what we can do."

Date: 2012-04-22 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Are they spending a fortune? I mean the kindle is a loss leader but my spending on books has gone up as a result of my kindle. Doubtless like mobile phones they'll find a point when the remaining customers who buy a kindle don't buy that many books. Not there yet though.

You may be 100% right on this but I'd have thought overall they are making from the kindle not losing.

Date: 2012-04-22 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
OK... that's interesting, I did not know that. They can tail that one off when they want though yes? I mean I guess right now they make the profit/loss they choose from the kindle. Any idea what the actual figures are?

Date: 2012-04-22 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Sorry, to be clear, I mean that amazon can tail off selling at a loss when they want to. That is, if they decide they've made enough loss now they can sell things at a profit. If they're selling at a loss it's because they have a business reason to do so for now which is, likely, what you mention here:

it's driving other people out of business...it's leading even further towards an Amazon monopoly.

And that's capitalism. :-)

(Glib comment, I realise it's not a good thing... it's just not an unexpected thing.)

Date: 2012-04-22 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apostle-of-eris.livejournal.com
People still don't catch on to "internet time". What brand of phone were you using ten years ago today?
Ten years from now, it will be that easy to recall the brand of "reader" you use now.


As for appropriation: fake artists steal; real artists reuse, recycle, and repurpose.

Date: 2012-04-22 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Not sure on the "reader" thing. I know how I can free my purchased book collection from kindle should I need to (I also know it's not legal). Most people don't.

The Steam game platform is, for me, the "friendly" face of DRM-made-useful. It remains to be seen whether Kindle is that for readers. Certainly, however, having my book collection quickly available on four different computers (admittedly only via browser in the linux case), my kindle and my phone is super useful.

The point is, I lose not much moving phone brands. I lose lots moving e-reader brands unless I take steps to mitigate that loss (and those steps are both technical and illegal).
Edited Date: 2012-04-22 06:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-23 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
Not everyone cares about their purchased book collection though - buy, read, never look at again. I own a great many books but rarely re-read any of them. I'm not sure how the market for ebooks breaks down into people who never ever want to loose access to their books (if so, don't use Amazon, they can take the book back) and people who don't care though.

Date: 2012-04-23 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Not everyone cares about their purchased book collection though - buy, read, never look at again. I own a great many books but rarely re-read any of them.

That strikes me as quite unusual. Most people I know are pretty "precious" about books. I'd have thought that the proportion of people who buy books but don't care if the books "go away again" once read is very small. I may be completely wrong but I've never come across anyone with that attitude before. I've come across many people who would never ever consider throwing away a book no matter how unlikely they'll reread it.

Date: 2012-04-23 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Heh... I sort of hoped you would. I assumed most people would want to hold on to books if they possibly could. I once gave away a huge number of mine (something like a half) and I admit I do not really miss them but at the time it was not so easy.

Date: 2012-04-23 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
I thought those people mostly avoided DRM'd ebooks completely though; because of the possibility of loosing them.

Date: 2012-04-23 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Hmmm... I don't know -- there certainly are such people but I'm not sure how many.

To non-technical people DRM is usually a non-issue. My mum and dad just assume with kindle books "they own them" and there's no possibility of losing them in the foreseeable. (Which is, to be honest, what I think the actuality of the situation is).

To technical people DRM is usually a non-issue because they can circumvent it and there's no possibility of losing them (if they don't mind a little legal side-step). If amazon goes bust or goes crazy and deletes things, I can get my own copies from elsewhere or take off the DRM.

I guess the people who would be concerned about this are either half technical or sticklers for the legal niceties.

But then, people have strange attitudes to these things and in particular, laws on physical media are ignored in ways that electronic media are not. (e.g. I don't know anyone who pays attention to "This book shall not be sold or lent outside US jurisdiction" notices or who ever paid attention to the illegality of ripping a CD to mp3 -- it may be there are such people you just rarely meet them).

So, I don't know if you're right or not here. I know there are some people who fall into this class of "won't risk DRM as they might lose what they bought"... I suspect they'll look increasingly "weird" as time goes on (because I don't think it will happen very often because companies who do it will look very bad*) but I may be wholly wrong and DRM may be a passing fad.

* E.g. negative publicity from amazon selling then taking back and refunding a copy of 1984 after a rights mix up.

Date: 2012-04-23 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
You're right, it does happen... but big players like amazon, steam and itunes with significant existing market penetration yes.

You're right about the lock in though... it's an advantage and a disadvantage. For me it's 100% win because I know I can unlock it.

Non-technical people will not be likely to think about these issues though.

I wonder if, in the future, we will see a "rights transfer" option... I can see monopolies people wanting to stop lock in.

Date: 2012-04-23 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
the average lifespan of a multinational company of Fortune/FTSE-500 size is about 40 years,

Does that > 20 year timescale put the problem in the same category of problem as "don't buy vinyl/cd/cassette/blu-ray because in 40 years you won't own a device capable of playing it"?

I think I was a late adopter for CD and did not have a CD player until 1994. I don't have anything which can now play any music I bought before 1994. I honestly can't remember if I own a VCR. I think I do not so I don't have anything which can now play any film or TV program I bought before about 1998.

Date: 2012-04-23 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
If everyone's books stopped working one Tuesday then The People would insist Something Was Done.

You are right. On the other hand, if over a ten year period, everyone but luddites moved from their primitive ebook collection in favour of a system where nanobots etched the words into your eyeballs while exuding a relaxing smell of bacon and gradually it became as difficult to get a working kindle reader as it was to get a stylus to play 78s... well, I'm not sure people would care.

Date: 2012-04-23 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Hmm... must get that e-bacon-eye-gouger patent written.

Date: 2012-04-22 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
What is randomness? Nobody knows, or at least there’s no consensus.

Ahem... that's because the question is insufficiently specified. It's like saying "nobody knows what mathematics is." However, beyond that quibble it's a reasonable article so thanks for drawing my attention.

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