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Date: 2012-03-07 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
I think a point that may be missing is that in America student athletes are not really students in the conventional sense of the word.

They have their own dorms separate from the actual students, they don't have to pay money to be there, they are special classes created for them to ensure they get passing grades even if they can barely read and write, should they have problems with these easy classes they are then given special tutors (that are usually only available to other students for roughly $150 an hour)for free and are, essentially, employees of the university used for fund raising efforts.

Meanwhile to attract them to the schools alumni (who gamble on the games and have a vested interest in seeing the best players possible come to/stay at the school) are legendary for giving them hookers, $100,000 sports cars and all sorts of other shit - that can get the university in a lot of trouble, and the universities have had a real hard problem stopping alumni from doing so, so there needs to be some checks and balances in place.

Date: 2012-03-07 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
Why is it that alumni giving athletes sports cars is something that "can get the university in a lot of trouble" (hookers I can see, but cars are legal to own)?

Date: 2012-03-07 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
It's against the rules for third parties to give student athletes anything at all to encourage them to go to or stay at a given school.

Some schools have been shut out of competition for years at a time when it came out that alumni were giving gifts to the athletes (which cost the schools millions of dollars in revenue a year.)

The schools agree to be the monitors and enforcers of the NCAA's rules and if the student breaks the rules, the school gets shut out. (Which ends up being grossly unfair to the students who didn't take the bribes.)

Date: 2012-03-07 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
The idea is they want to spread good athletes among as many teams as possible and don't want all the best athletes to end up at two or three schools that have the richest alumni who can offer the best bribes.

This all came to a head about a decade or so ago when people started noticing that a ton of talent was suddenly choosing to go to University Of Nevada Las Vegas - an educationally sub par school.

Turns out that professional gamblers (some of whom hadn't even gone to the school) were giving the students tons of gifts to entice them there so they could stack the deck in their favor by betting on the teams.

Some of the players were actually illiterate, but the gamblers were even paying people to impersonate the kids in class and take their tests for them.

Date: 2012-03-07 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Everyone pretends that college football is still an amateur competition, like any other varsity match, when actually it's an incredibly popular, lucrative and pervasive professional sport. As part of this charade, "student" atheletes are obliged to accept compensation and bribes only in a small subset of officially sanctioned ways, and anything else is A Moral Outrage (TM).

A side effect is that there's an incredible pressure on schools to conceal it if the atheletes show up sub-par academically. Remember in Buffy, where the school principle bullies Willow into "helping" an athlete? I think it's like that, but an awful lot more so, not because the schools are stupid, but because they make lots of money from the games, so can only fund themselves by perpetuating the situation.

Date: 2012-03-07 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
It's a truly awful system and I can't fault the universities who want to do everything they can to crack down on the rampant bribes.

Date: 2012-03-07 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Yeah. I don't know it first hand, I just know sensible people (like you) have described how ridiculous it is sometimes! :)

Date: 2012-03-07 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
It's really amazing too the clever ways the alumni and gamblers try to get around the system. A few years ago when they realized that giving gifts/cash directly to the student was too obvious, they started buying houses and shit for the student's parents, or paying off their entire family's mortgage and credit card debt.

The UK is lucky that their student athletes are actually student athletes and not simply fund raising machines.

The real fault of this is the NFL. When they decided that all professional football players had to have university degrees that encouraged universities to build stadiums so they could have the players the NFL wouldn't accept yet, make money off the games and then give the football players meaningless degrees four years later.

Eventually they realized that it was a waste to simply make money off of this during football season and just expanded the practice to their other sporting programs.

Date: 2012-03-07 12:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
I can't help but think that the alumni must be almost as thick as the players if they risk having their team barred from competition by bribing their own players.

Date: 2012-03-07 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
They think they are smart enough to get away with it - which is the downfall of most criminals.

Date: 2012-03-07 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
Interestingly, it's widely believed that Moe Dalitz was the first guy to come up with the idea of bribing players to go to certain schools.

He was smart enough to get away with it. But most of the alumni assholes didn't have years of experience as criminal masterminds behind them before they decided to try to bribe people.

Date: 2012-03-07 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
I have a vague memory that back in the 80s, one college's football programme was suspended because the coach paid for the flights to enable one of his students to attend his mother's funeral. Which seems a little harsh.

I also find it amusing that while it is possible to be "academically ineligible" as a college athlete, former Washington Redskins defensive end Dexter Manley managed to play four seasons at Oklahoma State despite being (in his own words) "illiterate".

Date: 2012-03-07 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
I remember that 80s thing too. I think it was just the NCAA trying to make it as clear as possible what their "no tolerance" rule meant - since so many, many people seemed to think they could get away with almost anything.

Do you remember when three UNLV players were photographed sitting in the hot tub of Ritchie "The Fixer" Perry?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/business/perryhottub.jpg

Date: 2012-03-07 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
I also remember in the early 90s I think it was a Michigan player who got caught accepting a suitcase with $280,000 in cash inside it and tried to explain it away as a "private student loan" - even though he had a full scholarship already.

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