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Date: 2011-09-05 09:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_s_b
When did computing lessons become courses in Microsoft applications?

My mum took one of those at the local adult education centre before Holly was born. The instructor was genuinely amazed that not everybody has Microsoft Publisher on their machine.

Date: 2011-09-05 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Ah I was meaning to bring the John Naughton article to your attention.

Computer lessons in schools have been courses in MS Office for years -- a good decade or so, going by what I've vaguely gathered about friends' children and friends who are teachers. It really is the most appalling pile of wank, and if the situation is no better when my daughter starts school I will demand she be removed from those classes.

Date: 2011-09-05 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
> Why we crave creativity but reject creative ideas

Story of the big problem with both the fiction publishing and record industry right there. Constantly after the next big thing; repeatedly signing clones of the last one.

Date: 2011-09-05 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strawberryfrog.livejournal.com
Re Should the Freedom Of Information Act be expanded to cover private companies?

Others have pointed out that privatisation/outsourcing of government functions evades freedom of information, and in those cases there is an even better case for extending it.

Date: 2011-09-05 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
> The SNP didn’t think the Haymarket option had a hope of succeeding, so abstained on the key vote to preserve their pristine record of opposition to the project.

Wankers wankers wankers. I mean, WTF? This sort of thing makes me just despise politicians as shifty slippery shits, interested in their appearance rather than their actual beliefs.

Though it's interesting to see it wasn't any grand plan by the SNP to make themselves look like saviours, just an almighty fucking cock-up.

Date: 2011-09-05 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Launch. Type shit. Print. Save.

People who have *HAD* courses and training and whatnot in MS Office don't know the stuff that is proper word processing such as formatting, using stylesheets and the like. (As in, I know far too many people who space things out with tabs!)

Date: 2011-09-05 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Game-playing -- put far better than I did in my outrage! And game-playing with public funds and the future of the city is just wrong.

Date: 2011-09-05 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
I'm not really sure at what age kids should learn that though. Surely not till secondary school?

Also, how long does it take to teach that? A couple of lessons at most, with one more for good measure to mop up the slow kids (oh okay, based on how I always overestimated the slow kids when I was at school, call it a whole term).

I think learning to much about a bit with programming languages would be far more better and more fun.

Date: 2011-09-05 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
Have you left in one of those div tags you mentioned? My friends page is going strangely wide after your post.

Date: 2011-09-05 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
For plenty of people I've spoken, the SNP's policies and actions simply don't matter because, well, they're the SNP and you're either for them, or you're not for Scotland.

In that context, some of the odder things that they do make a lot of sense.

Date: 2011-09-06 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camies.livejournal.com
Tesco seems less ubiquitous than Sainsbury's here in Birmingham but they are insidious - I thought 'there isn't one in KT1' (where I lived until recently) but there is, it seems, right at the edge towards New Malden.

Date: 2011-09-06 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apostle-of-eris.livejournal.com
About six years ago, I had the misfortune to try a web programming course taught by someone who didn't know the difference between Microsoft and computing. ("web programming"===C#)

Date: 2011-09-06 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
I wasn't going to say... don't you know it's rude to point out someone's overhanging div tag? ;)

Date: 2011-09-06 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
VBA??? You want to scar them for life? I was thinking Logo or Smalltalk, but I'm sure there are more modern languages aimed at kids out there.

Date: 2011-09-06 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
What do they mean by 'postcode'? The first half, 'XX00', presumably? (Or /[[:alpha:]]{1,2}\d{1,2}/ to be all fancy.)

Date: 2011-09-06 06:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com
Indeed; longer than that - my secondary-school IT lessons in the mid-90s consisted of learning to use Office. (And in a very specific way. If you knew keyboard shortcuts you were penalised for using them, because you were supposed to click File -> Save or whatever.)

Date: 2011-09-06 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Penalized for using shortcuts? That is just ludicrous -- the whole point of those is that they're more efficient once you know them!

Date: 2011-09-06 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com
There are two parts to creativity: there's the broad, open-ended, outside-the-box brainstorming of ideas, and then there's the filtering of those ideas to see which ones might actually work or make any sense.

Without the first you can't have creativity, but without the second you don't really have creativity either, just annoying randomness. I wonder if the "bias against creativity" is actually just a bias against that?

Date: 2011-09-06 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camies.livejournal.com
From the original story it looks like they mean just that, the first half.

Date: 2011-09-06 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
They could have said. I demand more regular expressions in newspaper articles!!!
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