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Date: 2011-02-11 01:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zz
systems that tie individuals to their purchases are creepy. more so if they're done by the state. in this case, it's entirely conceivable for a council having a fit of "won't someone think of the children" and start threatening parents if their kids happen to buy chips every day, for example.

Date: 2011-02-11 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] communicator.livejournal.com
'systems that tie individuals to their purchases are creepy' so I assume you only pay cash for everything?

Date: 2011-02-11 01:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zz
perhaps ideally.
a middle ground might be a requirment for anonymisation of data as a minimum, not that that's entirely possible given people can be identified by their habits.

to address the logical fallacy in your question (assuming you're not just a dick, I don't know you), one can find something creepy while still going along with it. people do it every day. doesn't mean one might not want to change (sorry, reform) the system.
personally, i don't have loyalty cards, while knowing that my debit/credit card numbers are likely still leaking information about me.

biometrics have a special creepiness, as they're part of your body rather than a bit of plastic that isn't really you, and are problematic in that you can't easily fix data theft/loss/corruption/etc.

Date: 2011-02-11 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] communicator.livejournal.com
The bill in no way limits the use of biometric systems in schools, it increases the power of the state by legally imposing what was previously a voluntary code of practice, and data corruption or loss are unrelated to the use of biometric systems.

I think it's telling that the horror you imagine (councils writing to parents about chips) has never occurred, and has nothing to do with biometrics anyway, while tracking of purchases by private companies really happens but falls into the category of things you 'go along with'.

So - in short - there's an illogical fantasy here about local councils having massive power, and global companies being innocuous. And this urban myth is having serious consequences in our society. So this isn't just me being a dick. Though I am proud to be one.

Date: 2011-02-11 02:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zz
my point was "systems that tie individuals to their purchases are creepy", not "this bill is a panacea". in fact, I wasn't even commenting on the bill.

the chips example was imo a similar-severity abuse of power scenario to councils' well publicised abuse of RIPA.

power isn't one dimensional. a global supermarket chain has vast power over the environment, workforces, suppliers, local economies, yes, but very little power over individuals. councils run schools and collect rubbish reasonably well, but seem to be experts at shafting individuals.

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