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Date: 2011-01-25 11:23 am (UTC)The trend is indeed towards zero.
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Date: 2011-01-25 11:27 am (UTC)I'm not seeing a positive outlook in the medium->long term...
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Date: 2011-01-25 11:36 am (UTC)And we'll probably see more of the Tom Clancy Presents style book, where they sell the work of other writers under a Big Name, and create Established Brands, in much the same way Hollywood is now locked into making remakes and sequels to established brands.
Until or unless writers can start doing gigs, and selling merchandise, they just can't survive books going down the path music has been going down the last 10 years.
Because no, I can't see a positive outlook either. Too many people are too used and comfortable with the idea of getting stuff for free on the internet, and they no longer see anything at all wrong with it.
I saw a horrifying tweet from an author a few months ago, where he said he was eating ramen noodles again because his book had sold 18 copies that week, and on pirate bay, he could see that 800 people had downloaded it that very day. He was, needless to say, not a happy chap.
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Date: 2011-01-25 12:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 12:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 12:18 pm (UTC)I think. Maybe.
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Date: 2011-01-25 12:42 pm (UTC)I've had friends with immense music libraries they've downloaded, and looking through the numbers of times they'd played stuff, thousands of song they'd never even listened to.
Strange collector impulse at work.
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Date: 2011-01-25 01:59 pm (UTC)There was a lot more going outside and speaking to people involved when one had to beetle off to record fairs on the hunt for Joy Division bootlegs, obscure On-U releases and 'A guy called Gerald' 12-inchers.
These days, one can just sit on one's arse and roundly curse gormless American teens for not getting the metadata right. (It's not a bloody Depeche Mode rarity, it's a Canadian DJ doing a remix, etc.)
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Date: 2011-01-25 12:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 12:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 12:53 pm (UTC)(As I've mentioned before, I personally know people making comfortable six figures this way).
However, fiction's trickier, partially because no-one's really figured out how to sell any kind of fiction on the 'net yet. (And I mean "sell" in the sense of "persuade people to pay money for"). Traditional sales pages don't work for fiction and never really have.
Having said that, I believe there are people making a seriously comfortable living off selling self-published fiction out there too. (I think you linked one of them a while ago?)
Finally - music and books might both be IP, but there's not the same pressure on both to go "hosepipe" always-available. A single music track lasts 3 minutes, which is one of the reasons people are reluctant to spent a pound on them. A novel lasts the average person, what, 5 or 6 hours? And it's impossible to read a novel in a "background noise" fashion.
All of which means I can get through a lot less books in a month than I can music tracks. Which means that given the choice between paying a fiver for one or twenty quid for unlimited access, I might well still go with option A. Spotify shows the same is very much not true for music.
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Date: 2011-01-25 12:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 12:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 01:04 pm (UTC)Or at least off one arse cheek to get their wallet out.
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Date: 2011-01-25 01:24 pm (UTC)If those books were massive sellers then they'd be on Pirate Bay and people could get them for free. By energising a niche market you can get them to hand over cash for something that they see as giving them an advantage they cannot get for free. If an author outgrows that niche then they'll hit the point where their work becomes available for free and their revenue will go down.
Hmmmm.
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Date: 2011-01-25 03:02 pm (UTC)However - do we actually have any examples of people who have suddenly seen a massive drop-off in cash flow thanks to piracy? Most superstar authors still seem to be doing OK.
(Not trying to destroy the argument, geninuely interested. I think your niche idea is a valuable one.)
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Date: 2011-01-25 03:07 pm (UTC)Hard to tell, I'd guess, as you can't really compare sales across different books for the same author. You'd have to look at (say) the sales across the NY Times bestsellers year-on-year and see if they dipped.
The thing is that ereaders, successful as they are, haven't yet taken a massive bite out of the book market, so far as I know. There are, what, 12-15 million Kindles out there, and maybe the same again of other ebook readers? Compare that to the number of MP3 players on the market. If ebook readers become the norm then the market will be quite different to a situation where ebooks are only a small fraction of the book market.
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Date: 2011-01-25 12:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 03:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 04:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 02:02 pm (UTC)Heeeeeeeeee.
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Date: 2011-01-27 10:16 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-01-25 07:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 02:46 pm (UTC)The average price is around $5, you can either run a cart yourself or use a site like Ravelry (which is brilliant in many different ways - the use of metadata to let people really dig through their database is excellent[1]) to sell it and I rarely see much evidence of piracy. This has been a massive change in favour of the designers because before this became popular most designers sold to magazines who pay them a fixed amount per design. And this amount hasn't changed since the 80s, which means the real value of what they were making from them has dropped significantly in that time.
The most popular (I'm using made the most often as the metric for this) for sale design on ravelry right now is made by a woman who lives in Edinburgh, there are 8700ish versions of it made or being made and the pattern costs 3 quid. I've made that project twice, so even assuming some piracy and and some duplicates, 4000 times 3 quid is not to be sniffed at. It also isn't the only source of money for the designer, as a popular and well respected designer and blogger she gets paid to do classes too.
So digital versions doesn't have to automatically lead to piracy wrecking everything for the producers.
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Date: 2011-01-25 02:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 05:21 pm (UTC)I think the 'few bucks' part of that statement is important, too, because I'm disinclined to pay $30 to someone I perceive as a rich and famous author (especially if I know a lot of it will be going to the publishing company), but I'm very pleased with the idea of giving the price of a coke or two to a fellow crafter directly.
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Date: 2011-01-25 06:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 06:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 06:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-25 04:43 pm (UTC)I wonder what then happens to the price of new works and how the structures of supply might change. For example might authors might become paid employees of Amazon, hired to produce new works for Amazon to stream to its customers
Are there suffient works already in existence that new fiction is almost unnessary? When I draw up my list of books that I would like to read this year many of them are avaible on Kindle etc for free. I could fill a lifetime of reading with free books.
*This wouldn’t be all authors all the time. Some might authors might want the aclaim or to satisfy their own need to write. Some might be independently wealthy or retired with a pension.
re: GM food & Africa
Date: 2011-01-25 10:09 pm (UTC)The guy who made this picture famous, and created The Whole Earth Catalog, currently thinks that cities, nuclear power, and gm food are the green options for the 21st century.
Re: GM food & Africa
Date: 2011-01-26 08:31 am (UTC)