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Less painful, more effective, but I'd be worried about letting people do it at home, because I'm fairly sure a large chunk of them wouldn't.
andrewducker
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Date: 2010-07-19 11:42 am (UTC)One former manager of a secure children's home with almost 20 years' experience said the revelations were "horrifying" and described the self-defence techniques as "child abuse".
Malcolm Stevens, a former government policy adviser and director of secure training centres who helped to develop the government's guidance for staff working in secure centres during the 1990s, said he could not understand why pain-inducing techniques were endorsed. He said: "I have never seen the need to use pain-compliant techniques, and after 15 years my view has not changed. I have no truck with distraction techniques."
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Date: 2010-07-19 12:15 pm (UTC)I don't really know what the atmosphere is like in these institutions - maybe serious violence almost never happens. I also don't know how these techniques compare against those used in adult prisons. However, I don't see why, on a practical level, defending yourself against or restraining a 17-year-old would be so different to doing the same against a 19-year-old.
(I'm going to ask a friend who has a lot more practical knowledge of these matters to comment.)
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Date: 2010-07-19 12:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-19 12:29 pm (UTC)(Conversely, the incredibly juicy subject matter - the government! hurts! children! makes me a little skeptical quite how much steak there is behind the sizzle. The journalists involved have a much, much stronger incentive to find that there are horrible dark secrets in the document than they do to conclude it's basically OK.)
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Date: 2010-07-19 12:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-19 12:57 pm (UTC)I'm looking forward (in a sense) to accounts from ex-inmates.
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Date: 2010-07-19 03:13 pm (UTC)"If used in a true self defence context- ie with force proportionate to the attack - these are appropriate techniques. If you're being pinned or held then you need to use pain based attacks to get released- simple.
If used incorrectly or out of appropriate context then it is abuse. Just as if someone went for a copper with a knife he can use his baton(which will hurt and may lead to possibility of death even if used in the manner trained to be less than lethal), but if the copper just hits a person because he feels like it, or they simply moved too fast for his liking, it then it is wrong."
He goes on to say that these techniques are listed as being adapted from adult prison restraint techniques (""General service techniques") and says "bear in mind that in adult settings they use batons, body arnour and shields too so this is a medium suitable to the setting. An aggrieved 17 year old is no differnt from an aggrieved 30 year old. I've been belted on the chin at work by a 14 year old and it was no differnt from being belted on the chin by a fully grown adult."
Of course, the sticking point is that these will be used on children, and interestingly he also says that a lot of bouncers refuse to work under-18 clubs, because "It gets trickier when they are 12 as they can do as much damage to you as you can do to them; but when it goes wrong it goes really wrong. This is why lot of doorstaff refuse to do under-18 nightclubs as the risk of being charged by people who don't understand this is far too great."
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Date: 2010-07-19 03:14 pm (UTC)