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The New York Times took a poll.  They asked half the people whether they thought that gay men and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the US army.  60% said yes.  They asked the other half whether they thought that homosexuals should be allowed to serve openly in the US army.  44% said yes.

One can only assume that people are made of crazy.  And stupid.

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Date: 2010-02-12 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meihua.livejournal.com
No, you should assume that their views are lightly held, so that a small difference in phrasing will change them.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meihua.livejournal.com
No, they are not insane, and they are not idiots. They are selfish and disinterested.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meihua.livejournal.com
This comment makes no sense to me, sorry.

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Date: 2010-02-12 11:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
Uninterested, surely. To be disinterested is a positive quality, akin to being impartial....

(Sorry to nitpick, but that one drives me up the wall)

Date: 2010-02-12 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
Are they identical? If you believe that men should be able to serve and women shouldn't, then you'd answer no to the first and yes to the second, wouldn't you? Although I'd expect the figures to skew in the opposite direction based on that.

How big was the answering sample? If there were 100 people in each then it could be simple differences of opinion that only average out as the sample size increases massively.

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Date: 2010-02-12 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Semiotics. They're interesting and important. No, two apparently equivalent words do not, in real world terms, mean the same thing.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Above certainly wasn't meant to imply that you didn't already know that, of course!

There are vast applications of semiotics to all sorts of humanities fields. F'rex, the semiotics of academic gender studies jargon are virtually guaranteed to get them exactly the audience, positive and negative, that they indeed gain.

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Date: 2010-02-12 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahsirakh.livejournal.com
Also, "homosexual" draws attention to the act of sex more than "gay men and lesbians" does.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badbookworm.livejournal.com
That's what I came here to say. The phrasing of the first question was humanising.

It is still depressing, though, that people's opinions are so easily manipulated. Not to mention a but worrying.

Date: 2010-02-12 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Well, the fast-in-fast-out of a poll is the ideal forum to show dramatic results.

What worries me is that the various gay activism groups haven't done such thorough research that this is old news. Control the dialogue, people.

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Date: 2010-02-12 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
I saw something in the BPS digest, suggesting how you frame something can change a person's thought processes toward it. I think we all make (unconscious) associations and the word "homosexuals" might be triggering to some people but "gay men and lesbians" don't seem to hold the same impact.

http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-framing-affects-our-thought.html

Date: 2010-02-12 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
Ah, I see you're already discussing that kind of angle with cairmen :)

Date: 2010-02-12 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
I know, but I hate commenting the obvious unless I have something interesting to add :)

Date: 2010-02-12 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
"68% think we spend too much on foreign aid. 59% think it should be cut"

(Yeah, the semiotics comments are more relevant, but this is funnier!)

Date: 2010-02-12 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badbookworm.livejournal.com
Then you get headlines like "Is Andrew Ducker Corrupt?" or even "Andrew Ducker Not Corrupt, Claims Government Spokesman", which immediately make people think Andrew Ducker is corrupt even if it has never previously crossed their minds.

I'm sure you're not corrupt, btw.

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