I don't understand the fuss about that banker's pay. I know tons of people who work about 1/3 of the hours (the usual 37.5) and earn about 1/3 of the amount. Yes, they're getting stupid amounts of money, yes, it's for stupid amounts of work. There are lots of problems with the situation, but an unqualified, "They're just getting paid too much" doesn't seem to be one of them.
Ah, but have you, personally, been responsible for over £1billion pounds of profit in one financial year?
If I knew I was making that much money for my company in profit, I'd want a bloody hefty salry.
And I recall (but can't link to) a study that showed fraud prevention was a pretty significant reason for the high pay, but the banks won't admit it for obvious reasons.
I find it hard to believe that most of the highly paid people are actually responsible for £1billion in profit - insofar as anyone they took in could have done the same job.
Fundamentally, what they do is take someone else's capital, expose it to a calculated risk, and hope it comes back positive. I could make a billion or so given enough seed capital. The responsibility lies primarily with whoever put up the capital.
The amount of work involved in making the trades is (more or less) independent of the amount of capital, which is what determines the size of the profit (or loss)
But presumably the big amounts of capital are handed to people who have proved that they can manage the smaller amounts. Which is something.
Supposing that the profits they produce are more than you'd expect from, say, just leveraging things more and more - which is not what my last lot of reading led me to understand.
I was shocked at how awful a lot of the friends were in the pregnancy article-- I wonder if the description was literal (I've asked at the blog) and how many people have social lives like that.
I think where I part company in the banking article is that people are largely angry about the failed banks paying bonuses rather than banks which have remained profitable and where he says people would just leave and that would be the end of the bank. Er ... no, people might leave and if they did they would be replaced by other people.
One of the things that irritates me about the amount of noise around bonus culture is that there is often little distinction drawn between bankers, investment bankers & 'people who work for banks'.
I think many people would be surprised to know what e.g. a mortgage adviser or branch manager actually earns.
Contract Analyst programmers of 5 years experience make more than that financial analyst at the same banks for circa 40 hour weeks. (OK we get taxed to the overall tune of about 50%, and more experience over 5 doesn't get you paid any more highly, usually). Though presumably Mr Analyst intends to climb some sort of hierarchy into making a bit more. If I read it right, he is in the same jobrole/career path as the (in)famous CityBoy ... 'nuff said.
Feel free to hate us too. Or join us. There are any number of ex-cops, ex-soliders, ex-hairdressers etc. Some of them are even quite good :-).
Is that his salary (£50k) or salary + bonus (£100k)?
My problem with going contract is the mixture of uncertainty and being stuck with whatever comes up next. I actively enjoy my job at the moment, which is worth being on £35k+10% bonus (well, last year).
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Date: 2010-02-06 12:19 pm (UTC)Just checking...!
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Date: 2010-02-06 12:31 pm (UTC)It's the people and companies that avoid paying (nearly) all of their tax that annoy me.
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Date: 2010-02-06 01:28 pm (UTC)If I knew I was making that much money for my company in profit, I'd want a bloody hefty salry.
And I recall (but can't link to) a study that showed fraud prevention was a pretty significant reason for the high pay, but the banks won't admit it for obvious reasons.
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Date: 2010-02-06 06:06 pm (UTC)The amount of work involved in making the trades is (more or less) independent of the amount of capital, which is what determines the size of the profit (or loss)
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Date: 2010-02-06 06:25 pm (UTC)Supposing that the profits they produce are more than you'd expect from, say, just leveraging things more and more - which is not what my last lot of reading led me to understand.
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Date: 2010-02-06 09:40 pm (UTC)I think many people would be surprised to know what e.g. a mortgage adviser or branch manager actually earns.
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Date: 2010-02-07 01:42 pm (UTC)Feel free to hate us too. Or join us. There are any number of ex-cops, ex-soliders, ex-hairdressers etc. Some of them are even quite good :-).
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Date: 2010-02-07 04:44 pm (UTC)My problem with going contract is the mixture of uncertainty and being stuck with whatever comes up next. I actively enjoy my job at the moment, which is worth being on £35k+10% bonus (well, last year).