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On the Dr Who Finale

The actual plot was a good one. The Time Lords find an escape route, only it turns out that this is really bad news, because they're eeeevil. I'd happily watch that plot. Having it tie into The Master's brain-drums works for me too.

What didn't work for me was then managing to waste two hours of screen time to the point where this plot was somehow squashed into fifteen minutes of plot, we have to have the evilness of Gallifrey explained to us (SHOW! DON'T TELL!) so quickly that at least two people I was with managed to miss it, and instead spend an episode and a half on The Master prancing around, two green aliens that don't actually add anything to the plot, Star Wars rip-off scenes and The Doctor falling through glass ceilings for no reason.

Date: 2010-01-01 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pennski.livejournal.com
"The Doctor falling through glass ceilings for no reason".

What - you mean you didn't look at that gorgeous glass ceiling and think "Now who's going to come abseiling through that?"

Overall I enjoyed it, but I could have done without the LOTR style 20 endings!

Date: 2010-01-02 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blearyboy.livejournal.com
How come the Doctor didn't die when he jumped? If the ability to survive really big falls is one of the sekrit powerz of Timelords, then how come Tom Baker isn't still the Doctor?

Date: 2010-01-03 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pennski.livejournal.com
Oh yes - I was expecting death at that point.

Date: 2010-01-06 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verlaine.livejournal.com
RTD decides on the BIG EMOTIONAL SCENES he wants to include in his episodes and then shoehorns them in and out with breathtaking carelessness and cynicism.

Obviously it's a fairly great idea to have "the man who never would use a gun" forced to choose between shooting the Master or Rassilon to save the world. However, to set up that scene he has to introduce the Woman in White character (whom he cuts his losses and doesn't even try to explain) escaping the Time Lock, persuading Wilf that a gun is somehow the only way, and probably advancing the civilisation of the Ood while she's about it.

Getting out of the scene was an even bigger insult to the intelligence. A convenient non-sentient component of the link that takes everyone 10 minutes to notice. The Doctor turns his back repeatedly on the Sonic Gauntlet of Rassilon that is powerful enough to obliterate 7 billion Masters in a second but seems to have trouble with an antique service revolver. And if all we needed to do was blow up the diamond, what possible reason could there have been to insist that it HAD TO BE a gun? Gah.

Date: 2010-01-01 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anef.livejournal.com
I'm not a Dr Who purist, but I was deeply offended that the Time Lords were now Evil.

Also the last 15 minutes were just frightful.

Date: 2010-01-01 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-gardener.livejournal.com
Whereas I loved the self-referentiality of the last fifteen minutes. (Not a dry eye in the JN, I can tell you.)

Date: 2010-01-02 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davesangel.livejournal.com
Agreed! Twas fab stuff (and very emotional too) :)

Date: 2010-01-02 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
The Time Lords were always a bit dodgy. They had a policy of non-interference yet sent the Doctor to do their dirty work all the time, and gradually became more and more corrupt in each episode they were featured.

Date: 2010-01-01 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
Yeah, there was stuff I liked about the episode, and some of it I really liked, but it was all squished into twenty minutes in the middle of the episode, and sandwiched inbetween Star Wars and The Return of the King. A proper two-parter where they really dealt with the Time Lords and how they ended up on the road to ascension and whether Dalton really is Rassilon and how the Doctor had to stop them, and then top it off with a sacrifice to save Wilf and regeneration, that I would be really eager to see.

Date: 2010-01-02 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnbobshaun.livejournal.com
Problem is, we already said goodbye to most of these characters in Journey's End. Here it just felt indulgent, IMHO.

If the Doctor had died and regenerated in the glass chamber thingy I would have cried my eyes out. Quarter of an hour later, when Tennant said his (nicely chosen) final line I couldn't have cared less.

Date: 2010-01-02 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
RTD just threw everything in there. Absolutely no restraint to the extent that it was completely meaningless.

An entire YEAR building to that shit for fucks sake. Compare that to the Caves of Androzani.

Date: 2010-01-01 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iainjcoleman.livejournal.com
two green aliens that don't actually add anything to the plot

They separate the Doctor from the Master in such a way that he can't get back to the Tardis.

Date: 2010-01-02 09:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnbobshaun.livejournal.com
Many things could have been paired down. Why didn't they just concoct a reason for the millionare industrialist guy to bring the Master back? Rather than introduce and destroy a seperate bunch of bad guys in the space of five minutes?

Date: 2010-01-02 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
Ed Wood level plotting.

Date: 2010-01-02 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
_Ouch_.

But yes. The zombies are doing this because the aliens are doing that...

Date: 2010-01-02 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
They're also more people who can't be turned into MasterRace; needed to rescue the Doctor early on. But yes, they were mostly pointless after that and should have been given something to do. Rather than just shoot at things for 10 minutes.

Date: 2010-01-01 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
It bugs me when people - and by this I mean you on occasion ;) - say 'But it's just a panto! It's for kids!' Coz there's a hundred better kids shows.

And tbh, watching some of that episode today, all that kept me watching it was: It's British. Much of the episode wasn't as good as Power Rangers. If a few more characters had American accents, I'd have turned off.

Date: 2010-01-01 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
damn. I'm going to have to watch it now. Not that that's a bad thing, in any way

Date: 2010-01-02 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snarlish.livejournal.com
i think the mention of the Star Trek 2 parallel (the doc's actual cause of death) was also amplified by Timothy Dalton's Khan character.

KHAN!

Date: 2010-01-02 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Yeah, the fact that the Time Lords are actually responsible for making the Master evil in the first place, all these years... pretty neat. And yet totally subsumed in all the nonsense.

Don't forget the 20 minutes of what was little more than fanfic at the end.

Date: 2010-01-02 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ami-bender.livejournal.com
Liked the ending. It was a nice goodby section at end. Introduction to new doctor was reasonably good as well.

Galafry bit also fit. But your right. WAY too compressed. Need more development on that. Its a shame as it had such potential.....

I have heard that the new lead writer for the next season is the guy who did blink and the one with the boy in the gas mask. both of which were some of the better episodes.



Date: 2010-01-02 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kurosau.livejournal.com
He's actually going to be running the whole show, I believe he was already the lead writer.

Date: 2010-01-02 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0olong.livejournal.com
'Lead' in the sense of 'best', sure. But other than that?

Crap.

Date: 2010-01-02 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
A total waste of time, money and concepts. We fucking hated it.

Date: 2010-01-02 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
By the time that the Doctor was forced into the Chamber of Death by RTD's Invisible Finger Of Plot the room I was in had all abandoned silence and were shouting abuse at the screen. By the time the Doctor was two scenes into his "buy one soulful look, get 27 free" visit-all-the-guest-stars special we were cackling with laughter.

God that was awful.

Date: 2010-01-02 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
IAWTC!! Those four words just sum it up.

Date: 2010-01-02 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missedith01.livejournal.com
A lot of the time-wasting came from the Longest Regeneration in History - allowing time for the Doctor to visit his pals. Honestly, must RTD always attempt to wring every last drop of emotion from his audience all the time? It's feeble.

I liked the green aliens. Spikey.

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