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Date: 2009-07-29 08:21 am (UTC)Oh, and for some reason "Bugger" is vastly less offensive than "Fuck" in the UK. Never really understood that one...
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:54 am (UTC)I'm not filling in the poll because I'm undecided on it all. I think all of them, even "that's so gay" have become such common parlance that the possibly homophobic intent is not in the minds of most people who use them, but I'm not sure that's a good excuse. I avoid "gay" in that way, just don't tend to say "bummer" at all, and have been known to say "bugger" when things go pear shaped.
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:42 am (UTC)Gay in that context is just homophobic.
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Date: 2009-07-29 09:11 am (UTC)And "Bummer" was definitely slang for "gay man" in the playground when I was a kid.
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Date: 2009-07-29 09:13 am (UTC)I once got the silent treatment for a long, long time because I referred to someone as "a cracker" This made me an abhorrent racist. Took me f*cking ages to work out why, and apologise...
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 08:48 am (UTC)That said, I don't want my consciousness raised on this one as I love the word "bugger" so much.
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:59 am (UTC)me too
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:53 am (UTC)At no point would I intend any use of those terms to be homophobic, in the same way that saying "fuck" isn't supposed to associate an event with sex (especially since I'll usually shout the f-word out when I've hurt myself) ;)
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 09:08 am (UTC)I suspect we picked up "That's a bummer" from there, but some part of the UK (at least) also use it as slang for a gay person.
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Date: 2009-07-29 09:25 am (UTC)Then again, I was also in my late 20s when I figured out that "to welsh on a bet" was anti-Welsh (a fact made more difficult, because in much (perhaps most) of the US, it's pronounced "Welch".
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:40 pm (UTC)Re: Since no-one is complaining about the construction of the poll
Date: 2009-07-29 01:46 pm (UTC)It does intrigue me that insults based on buggery are somehow less offensive than ones based on PIV sex.
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:40 pm (UTC)i like to think i'm repurposing/reclaiming it, just like it was already repurposed from "cheerful/etc", and that the bad meaning and homosexual meaning don't have to be connected (any more).
but then half the time i just don't understand why people find specific things offensive, and the other half i actively enjoy pushing buttons (especially if i consider them irrational)... :)
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Date: 2009-07-29 07:23 pm (UTC)That said "gay" used negatively is horribly offensive and upsets me if it happens around me in conversation. To me, and this is personal, it feels like someone saying the word "nigger". It's just vile.