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Date: 2009-07-02 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexthai.livejournal.com
Interesting!

Date: 2009-07-02 12:51 pm (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Arse)
From: [personal profile] matgb
Have replied to Psych's post, the comment is one I've made so many times in various forms that I really ought to turn it into a blog post at some point. The electoral system creates the party system, no existing party benefits from change long term, when you change the system the way people vote changes--can point to so many examples of this globally, it's not about stats it's about observing voter behaviour and looking at what the electoral system forces us to choose between.

And yeah, the ability of local councils to change film classifications and similar is one I support (IIRC, one council reduced the certificate on Spiderman, a move I think was cool). But it does lead to anomalous positions--I had to travel to Plymouth to watch Pulp Fiction as Torbay banned it, and Aberystwith famously elected Judith as mayor then found out she couldn't show her own film...

Date: 2009-07-02 01:05 pm (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Default)
From: [personal profile] matgb
Oh, I'm against banning stuff as well. But I'm also in favour of local decision making. If the council is generally responsive to local voters (as Scottish councils now will be given they've got a decent voting system) then it's a local decision.

And if your councillor favours that sort of thing, then you know what to do (I figure amongst other things that if a film gets banned, those opposed will be more inclined to organise locally, which is medium term good for democracy).

Date: 2009-07-02 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
"If the council is generally responsive to local voters (as Scottish councils now will be given they've got a decent voting system) then it's a local decision."

Hmmmmm... I think a lot of the culture of local Government in Scottish councils will have to change in line with the change in electoral systems. Councils are still fairly fractious beasts infighting across party lines is still not entirely uncommon. I'd argue you'd need a similar nationwide voting system for local councils to be truly reponsive and still not have the spectre of party politics hanging over them.

Date: 2009-07-02 01:23 pm (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Default)
From: [personal profile] matgb
Oh, I definitely favour using the same voting system at every level wherever possible, it's a strong reason to back preferential systems, people like them, they're easy to explain, and they scale incredibly well.

But yeah, it'll take awhile to bed in, and there'll always be fractious people, but STV overall encourages positive issues based campaigning--it just takes awhile for parties to get used to this.

@ Andrew: the BBFC is merely an advisory board, it's recommendations are generally accepted but they needn't be. As it is, someone nationally declared you were allowed to watch it. What about all those films they decide you're not allowed to watch uncut? Your council could choose to override those decisions as well if it wanted.

At some point you might get people actually campaigning on that sort of thing for local elections as well--more likely in Scottish cities than anywhere else though, until we get STV down here.

Date: 2009-07-02 01:27 pm (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Default)
From: [personal profile] matgb
Nope--I decided as it was a related topic to let both people get the notification. I like threads, but not enough to want to make two comments when one will do.

Date: 2009-07-02 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khbrown.livejournal.com
Are you sure the BBFC is really an advisory body? The situation is different for films and for videos, but my understanding is that post-Video Recordings Act a film must have a BBFC certificate to be sold or shown in public cinemas.

Film societies and clubs are exempt from the certification requirement to an extent, as are film festivals, but - for example - the EIFF last week only showed Lars Von Trier's Antichrist after it had been granted a certificate by the BBFC. They could have taken the chance had it not, with any negative fallout then impacting upon them and the local council, but I think in the vast majority of cases the BBFC's decision is the one that really matters.

Apart from anything else the BBFC were originally established by the film industry as a means of trying to centralise rather than decentraise censorship / classification.

It would be interesting, in these terms, to see a council which completed rejected BBFC rulings and said that any material not directly illegal was perfectly fine to be shown. Could they in fact do it, apart from the political suicide aspect when busybody types got involved.

Date: 2009-07-02 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
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