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Date: 2009-03-16 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
I read that Times Style section article with a bunch of equally disbelieving friends (including two young mothers). It seemed like a joke but if it was I get it.

Date: 2009-03-16 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henriksdal.livejournal.com
I utterly lose interest after the "I'd never seen Frances react like this"

Date: 2009-03-16 04:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zz
I challenge you to complete a line!
22:39. i love productive days off.

Date: 2009-03-16 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
The Hero piece is great. More saying "We need more of X" or "Here's how to do Y better" please, and less saying "Storytellers are not allowed to express ideas a), b), c) or z)".

Date: 2009-03-16 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Addendum - it's actually making me think seriously about writing a black hero/heroine in a future film or series now. I am, of course, terrified I'd fuck it up and get lynched.

Date: 2009-03-16 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Well, as one example, the argument being made by many that Elizabeth Bear should not have made her Kelpie character in the Blood and Iron series black, because it gets enslaved, despite the fact that they were black in the original legends. In other words "Storytellers are not, in my opinion, allowed to..."

(Like you, I really don't want to get into the rights and wrongs of that or any other part of RaceFail).

Date: 2009-03-16 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Where did my sex kitten go?

I'm boggled to read that. On the one hand, if he wants to live with a successful, ambitious sexually confident woman, it's good to recognise how he feels and comes to terms with it -- it's a good change from men complaining that "I wanted a housewife and all I got was this human being", and a good change to recognise what you want rather than feeling guilty for admitting it.

On the other hand, every single line is chock-full of incredibly insulting assumptions and generalisations. I sympathise with someone with a difficult life regardless of the reasons for it. But to pick an example at random, his main complaint sounds to me like "My partner wanted a child and I didn't, and she refused to put my wants above hers, so I lied and said I did want children after all, and when I got them, it turned out that that was a mistake. Why couldn't she have lied about what she wanted instead, so her life would suck instead of mine?

Date: 2009-03-16 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missedith01.livejournal.com
where did my sex kitten go?

It just can't be real. It must be a spoof. I don't believe it ...

Date: 2009-03-16 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davesangel.livejournal.com
Where did my sex kitten go?
An opinion piece constructed out of so much entitlement and oblivious patriarchy that I'm ashamed to come from the same country.


I'm hoping that said article is a joke, but sadly it really doesn't seem that way. He needs to wise the fuck up, accept responsibility for messing up Frances's life rather than blaming her for pushing him away (motherhood is time consuming enough, but moreso when the father clearly isn't pulling his weight, as Mr. Jones intimates there, so it's no wonder that it took over her life). But most of all, he needs to realise that he is nothing more than a misogynist who clearly sees women as nothing more than sex objects. Fucking scumbag. And I know plenty of men here in Belfast who clearly came from the same school of thought as Jones who make me equally ashamed that such opinions still exist in society today.

Date: 2009-03-16 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingspider.livejournal.com
Hmm, I read Simon's words plain and clear... and yet all I can think of is this:



Funny, that.

Who needs a hero?

Date: 2009-03-17 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
This piece really caused quite a surprise reaction in me. I realised I'd *never* had that reaction to any fictional character. Can't see how I could - they are not real, and not in the real world. Can't even fit that concept round my brain.

Come to think of it, I don't much have real-world heroes either. People I admire and respect for their skills and achievments, yes - but that I have a (one-way) emotional connection to, that inspire me out of shitty situations, that I want to *emulate*??? nah....

Yet, I was a bullied weirdo geek as a kid just like many of the folks who do.

re: Heroes

Date: 2009-03-19 03:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] darkoshi
I can't think of any fictional hero whom it would bother me to have them cast by a person of a different race than the original actor/representation. The only time it bothers me is when an author distinctly describes a character as being non-white, and then when it is made into a TV show or movie, or when the cover-art is painted, the character is cast as white. This bothers me not because I can't enjoy or appreciate a white version of the character, but because it indicates that someone thought that the target audience would not enjoy a non-white character, which indicates racism, stereotypes, and closed-mindedness.
Doctor Who as black - why not? Why couldn't a black or brown or green or blue skinned Doctor Who be just as charming and witty and quirky as the previous light-skinned ones? He's only been portrayed as white so far, because of the people in charge of the show, not because it is a necessary trait of the character. Doctor Who as non-British - well, why not? He's a Time-lord, not a Briton.

As for casting characters with a different gender or sex than their originals... the idea doesn't bother me, and I think in many cases it could be very interesting. What if Luke and Leia's characters had been switched? What if Leia was the whiny, dreamy one growing up on the farm, and Luke was the "prince"? It would be quite interesting.

But recasting male characters as female or vice-versa, seems like it would change the character more than a simple change of skin color or accent would. It would be interesting to see the same character portrayed with the same traits, by a person of a different sex, but it's hard to envision, because generally female characters are portrayed differently than male ones.
Or even given the same traits, a male person with those traits is perceived differently than a female one.

There is a "coolness" aspect to simply having a strong kick-ass female character, that isn't necessarily there with a correspondingly strong kick-ass male character. Likewise, there is a "coolness" aspect to simply having a non-violent, caring male character, that isn't necessarily there with a non-violent caring female character.

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