Fruit juice is not good for you

[andrewducker]

Well, it's not just good for you. I have problems with sugar, and occasionally people look aghast at me when I decline a glass of fruit juice saying "But it's natural sugar!" as if that made some kind of difference. The fact is that a large glass of fruit juice probably has all of the energy from several pieces of fruit, but with none of the fibre or other non-soluble goodness in it.

In fact, according to recent research children who drink more than two glasses of fruit juice a day are more likely to be overweight/obese. And this article from 2005 indicates that fructose might be worse than normal sugar.

Comments

[meaningrequired.livejournal.com]

My personal opinions is that kids who drink juice, are the kind who wont drink water. So they probably enjoy eating sweet things too.... And parents who bow to their kids desire and allow this probably helps to lead to obese children.

When I worked with the Dietitians, some of the paediatric D's had some horrific tales. A mother bought her child a box of crisps a week (amongst other things) and couldnt understand how this was linked to her overweight child. When she was told to just not buy the crisps she wasnt very happy. But I suppose thats a problem parents can face, with kid's pester power.

[andrewducker]

The problem does seem to be a basic lack of understanding of what is good for you and what isn't.

I like fruit juice, but won't drink it much. I dislike plain water, so I add things to it, but always diet things.

[neferet.livejournal.com]

Interesting links. It's a pity that the second article didn't indicate which sugars don't cause the degree of increase of uric acid in the blood that fructose does (it mentioned that not all sugars cause this, but not which).

[ninox.livejournal.com]

Sugar isn't the only problem. Papers are coming out now of the effect of weakening tooth enamel. Teeth shouldn't be brushed until at least 1 hour after brushing.

[andrewducker]

Teeth shouldn't be brushed until at least 1 hour after brushing.

Presumably this came from the department of dentistry and chronodynamics?

[ninox.livejournal.com]

cite u like

There has been a resurge in the BMJ etc of late as well.

[andrewducker]

It's still not clear how I can brush my teeth one hour after I brush my teeth...

[chuma.livejournal.com]

Don't worry Andrew. I laughed at least :)

[ninox.livejournal.com]

Ah the pedant!

I was talking about brushing teeth at least an hour after taking orange juice etc.

A few papers recommend brushing before meals, over all opinion is it does soften the tooth enamel and therefore is subject to removal by an abrasive (such as toothpaste). It therefore requires a time frame(opinion varied) for the acid to be diluted by the saliva and cease to act on the enamel.

[fjm.livejournal.com]

I mix my juice in a ratio of about one inch to every pint of water. I started watering it down when we were trying to reduce my calorie intake and it was the only place left to cut (no gluten, lactose, ought to mean a skinny fjm but it doesn't).

[andrewducker]

Sounds very sensible.

Any idea what's left that does cause the weight to remain?

[fjm.livejournal.com]

Genes.

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

insulin resistance, thyroid etc. etc. a host of inherited tendancy options there.

Out of interest, what height/weight are you, what caloric intake do you have yourself on (and what do you eat to make that up?). What types of exercise do you do?

[fjm.livejournal.com]

I am 5' 4"

Statistics: 44, 32, 42.

I weigh 76kg (about 11 and a quarter stone at the moment but I was sick two weeks ago).

I walk almost everywhere unless it's underground journey distance (everything over 25 minutes walk I suppose).

Twice a week at least I spend half an hour on a cross trainer, or walk on a treadmill (I don't run or cycle because of knee trouble). I outlasted a bunch of 18 yr olds doing high kicks on Saturday night.

When I am in the gym I do half an hour to three quarters of an of weights. If my trainer is there (which is the third gym visit of the week) I do an hour on weights.

I can bench press 70kg, bicep curl 25/30 kg and generally don't do any single hand exercise with less than 8kg weights. I can lift the entire stack of weghts on the leg press (3 sets of 15).

Like I said: genes.

I might manage weight loss if I could convince myself to do more cv exercise but the evidence of last year suggests it would have to be a *lot* of cv exercise. We were in Stockholm, averaging 3 hours walking a day, and I lost 4 pounds.

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

er, male or female? I thought female but a 70kg bench press is making me think not... (or giving me a serious dose of envy!).

In any case - You pretty well exercised (and strong!). I wouldn't get hung up on the number on the scale so much, you have a good bit of muscle going on there.

What's your daily calorie intake? Composition? Any idea on the bodyfat levels (calipered)?

Ah, pardon me, for being nosy, I used to be seriously into this stuff. Still love my weights. I am currently without my powercage (due to moving house) and I am missing my squats...

[fjm.livejournal.com]

Female [smug]

You also asked about calories.

[farah-mdx.livejournal.com]

No idea, but a typical day:
b: two slices gluten free bread, mayo and a boiled egg, a pint of water with an inch of juce, tea.
11pm: gluten free cookie/snack bar.
1pm beans on gluten free toast, a gluten free sandwich or something I cooked the night before.
3/4pm: gluten free cookie/snack bar.
7pm: carbs, protein, veg (heavy on the protein, light on the carbs, mabe 2 ounch of rice or one potato).

And the equivalent of one bar of chocolate a week--I buy Green and Black "minatures" and eat maybe three of them over the week.

Snack food tends to be home made popcorn or olives, or broccoli.

Re: You also asked about calories.

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

Hmm, as a first step, you could try writing it all down and adding it all up (and I mean ALL, every damned thing you eat or drink and the quantity too). Tedious maybe but it is the only way to track. Keep that for a whole week (or better, a month). THEN you can adjust - at the moment you are flying blind.

OR, just eat tons of veg, enough meat/fish/nuts, a wee bit fruit and nothing processed at all. That and giving up the booze lost me 2 stone in 3 months with zero effort.

My typical day, for example

Break: Home made Veggie soup OR porridge with nuts + fruit (+ maybe some gram or soy flour for extra protein).

Snack: 2 pieces fruit + nuts (if not in porridge)

Lunch: Big salad + chicken/tuna/mackerel/salmon/cheese/cottage cheese/prawns + olive oil + lemon juice. I have carrots, beetroot, fennel, cabbage and anything that's edible raw, really, not just lettuce/cucumber/celery

Snack: more soup

Dinner: Meat/fish + huge heap of steamed/roast veg with butter, olive oil.

Supper (if required): porridge/soup/fruit/yoghurt/ whatever...

Drinks: water, tea, herbal tea or decaff. No sugar. usually no milk too.

I don't eat bread, potatoes, rice, pasta or any carby bland 'filler' at all - except when I go yacht racing (twice a month in the spring/summer)

Re: You also asked about calories.

[farah-mdx.livejournal.com]

Um, you don't get it. That isn't a fake list. That's a real list. One consequence of being gluten and dairy free is that if I don't carry it with me, I don't eat it. It makes me very aware of how much I eat. The range of snack food I can buy is minescule. The only processed food I eat is gluten free bread and occassionally gluten free pasta (not keen though). Because I'm dairy free I'm ipso fact very low fat which is one reason why I have to eat high in protein (if I don't, I pass out). I frequently use nuts instead of the snack bar, but was being generous with the intake rather than mean.

Today is a "bad" day because I;m away from home:
b: one bread roll with humus
snack: two gluten free chocolate chip cookies
lunch: rice with tofu and greens.
snack: dark chocolate flake, a very rare treat.

Dinner is not in my control and will probably be meat and two veg.

This morning i did half an hour on the treadmill and half an hour on weights.

Good grief!

[ginjabadja.livejournal.com]

Fruit juice is now bad for you ?

Well you'll have to pry the juice box from my cold, dead and everso slightly chubby hand!

Never in the field...we shall bight them on the feaches...letter to the Times...etc

[surliminal.livejournal.com]

If like me you don't much like fruit, drinking a glass of FJ per day is No Bad Thing.If you drink FJ like diet coke, then yeh, calories will mount up..

[bondage-and-tea.livejournal.com]

Heh.

BTW met one of your colleagues last night, Keith.

[andrewducker]

Where did you meet him?

[bondage-and-tea.livejournal.com]

In the Southern, round the corner from where I live. He was talking to Vikiselotape who's a friend of a friend. He just happened to mention that he works where you do... Small world.

[andrewducker]

Are you on any IM type things? I feel the need to ask you more, while not being terribly happy talking about work stuff on LJ :->

[bondage-and-tea.livejournal.com]

I am. Almost at gmail dot com on msn messenger.

[opusfluke.livejournal.com]

See, I'm over weight because of too much ale. And the not enough sleep. And the smoking isn't doing me much good. And as for the diet. No, wait, hang on. Just thought of something. Thin people die too! In fact we all die! So I'll eat less, drink less booze but keep downing the soda water/diet bitter lemon combos cos that's the way I likes it. Jeez, at this rate we won't be able to eat, drink or breathe anything without it being a proven risk to health. Sod 'em, we're all gonna die anyhow so let's have fun.

[andrewducker]

Nobody is telling you you can't do anything.

But you should know what the consequences of your actions are, so you can make an informed decision.

That way if you want, for instance, to lose weight, you'll know how to do it.

[chuma.livejournal.com]

Its something to have in moderation, much like everything else really. Personally if I drink vodka I tend to have some citrus fruit juice with it and I wont drink a huge aount of it. That said, I should REALLY cut back on my coffee intake, but that is another vice.

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

horrible for your teeth too.

IIRC your liver has problems processing more than about 50g (ish) of fructose per day.

patients in hospital got serious liver function derangement on a fructose drip - glucose was/is fine.