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This discussion with [livejournal.com profile] slammerkinbabe got me thinking, and thence to face-to-face discussion with [livejournal.com profile] thishardenedarm about why it is that religious objections to dress codes are different to mere personal dislikes to them, and finally to the following thoughts, which still seem woefully unconclusive to me. Possibly one of you insightful chaps and chapesses can help out.

It annoys me that when a person says "If you make me dress in manner X then the sky fairies will be upset" it's given more credence than my own objections to simply "not liking wearing ties".

Partly this is because it seems irrational to me that appeals to the fantastical should be priveliged over appeals to simply grounded aesthetic preference, and partly it's because I don't have any sky fairies of my own to call own and frankly I feel jealous. (Which reminds me that my first ever girlfriend [livejournal.com profile] taromazzy originally started smoking because that way she got a five minute smoke break, whereas non-smokers didn't have an acceptable excuse to stand about for 5 minutes an hour.)

However, while I definitely think that way, on an emotional level, I can see their point. What [livejournal.com profile] thishardenedarm pinpointed for me was the issue of identity. Religion, and the things that go with it, are very deep seated in someone's sense of identity, while my dislike of ties is, frankly, not. No matter how much I may dislike them I don't have an absolute belief in their rightness or wrongness. And it's this lack of moral certainty that dooms me, because on the emotional plane true belief beats mere dislike any day of the week.

No, I can't quite place my finger on why, it just does.

To skip-paraphrase from Life, The Universe and Everything:
"The point is that people like you and me are dilettantes, eccentrics, layabouts, fartarounds if you like," said Ford. "We're not obsessed with anything, you see. And that's the deciding factor. We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win."
"I care about lots of things," said Slartibartfast.
"Such as?"
"Well, life, the Universe. Everything really. Fjords."
"Would you die for them?"
"Fjords?" blinked Slartibartfast in surprise. "No."
"Well, then."
"Wouldn't see the point, really."


Sometimes I wonder if I'd be happier if I could _really_ believe in something. I'm fairly sure that studies have indicated that people do.

Date: 2006-10-20 02:55 am (UTC)
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I haven't yet heard of an organized religion whose dress code forbids the wearing of ties or mandates the wearing of comfortable athletic shoes, or the like. If people were claiming religious beliefs like those, then yes, I might feel it unfair that my own dress preferences weren't considered as important, just because my own aren't religious.

But since most religious dress rules aren't what I consider desirable - having to wear a veil or a turban or a head covering, or needing to wear long sleeves and pants, etc... it doesn't seem particularly unfair to me when exceptions are made for those kinds of things.

Now on the other hand, if a company didn't allow the wearing of necklaces or jewelry, for example, but if Christians were given an exemption to wear a crucifix, or other religious jewelry were allowed, then I would feel it unfair that I couldn't likewise wear my own symbolic non-religious jewelry.

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