Date: 2026-02-09 12:09 pm (UTC)
gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (Default)
From: [personal profile] gingicat
But but... foobar is from FUBAR, "fucked up beyond all recognition." The rest is all back-formation.

Date: 2026-02-09 12:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] original_aj
Note the date on the letter.....

Date: 2026-02-09 12:19 pm (UTC)
gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (Default)
From: [personal profile] gingicat
I simply missed it. And yeah, it certainly *looks like* the original RFC which is why I was so confused.
Edited Date: 2026-02-09 12:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2026-02-09 12:17 pm (UTC)
gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (Default)
From: [personal profile] gingicat
Ugh, this was hard to read on my phone, thank you.

Date: 2026-02-09 12:28 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
I also had often heard the etymology FUBAR → foobar → foo and bar separately, and it always struck me that it left something out: how did an acronym that meant "disastrously fucked" turn into such an extremely neutral pair of placeholder words that can describe anything good, bad or in between?

This is often the question that most interests me about etymologies: not just "what word in which historical language gave rise to this one?", but if there was a change of meaning somewhere in there, "how did a word for this end up meaning that?" Wiktionary's etymologies in particular – the ones I look at most often – are sometimes very good at this, and other times, frustratingly ignore the question completely.

So I like the revised theory of "foo" having been around already as a meaningless word that you sometimes replace things with, and an etymology of FUBAR that starts with "furchtbar" for "terrible", replaces a part with "foo" because 1930s comic strips made it popular to do that (plus I guess if Germans look like becoming the enemy then you want to deGermanise your slang?), and then thinks of something it can stand for. It may or may not be true – I wasn't there, of course! – but every step of the reasoning makes sense to me, which makes me find it plausible in a way that I don't find the FUBAR → foobar step.

Date: 2026-02-09 12:30 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
... which (now having seen the RFC date) makes it a very good 1st April gag!

Date: 2026-02-09 12:41 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
True, of course – a 1st April RFC need only be frivolous, and need not actually be full of lies.

Date: 2026-02-09 12:49 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
I must admit that I've always assumed that rfc-editor would carefully avoid publishing any 100% serious RFC on 1st April, in case of misunderstandings!

Though I suppose doing it as a cunning double bluff would have some style.

Date: 2026-02-09 12:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] conuly
It also is very plausible that people made up an acronym when it wasn't one originally, because people do that all the time.

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