Date: 2023-10-04 01:21 pm (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to give the single rooms to the terfs? Then again, I wouldn't really want to reward them....

Date: 2023-10-04 02:08 pm (UTC)
dewline: Icon reading "Trans rights are human rights" (trans-rights)
From: [personal profile] dewline
Nor would I. That it's an unpleasant consequence of properly keeping trans people safe...

Date: 2023-10-04 03:06 pm (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
Also, like... following their reasoning...

Listen, I've been in hospital rooms, and it just seems to me that the most likely person to assault you is not your fellow patient, but the highly ambulatory medical staff. And hardly a month goes by when I don't hear about some doctor (or sometimes nurse) doing something really illegal and unethical to their patients.

Not that I think trans people are particularly more likely to assault anybody than the rest of us anyway, and the idea that somebody is going to pretend to be trans to commit crimes is risible, but even if I did their conclusion is still backwards.

Date: 2023-10-05 04:54 am (UTC)
adrian_turtle: (Default)
From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle

The only "women's hospital ward" I can really imagine is the maternity ward. As Conuly says, it is frighteningly common for doctors to abuse patients. Not only that, if they phrased it as "new fathers will not be allowed to visit the maternity ward," all hell would break loose. Some (many) women want their partners there as support while she does something difficult and to meet the baby as soon as possible. Some (many) want him to be there in case she or the child needs to be defended against overzealous medical staff. That means there will be men in that part of the building.

Date: 2023-10-05 08:31 am (UTC)
bens_dad: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bens_dad
The only "women's hospital ward" I can really imagine is the maternity ward.
Gynaecology ?

Most of the hospital wards I have seen are split into smaller "bays", often actually distinct rooms, each with there own toilet facilities. On adult wards these are single sex (children's wards typically don't take teenagers). I assume that we are talking about these "bays" rather than whole wards.

Date: 2023-10-05 04:27 am (UTC)
adrian_turtle: (Default)
From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
I read the headline, and wondered what they were talking about. I haven't seen an open hospital ward in many years, other than the emergency room. There were rooms for 2 people (both men or both women) in an area (like 4th floor north) and they organized it by what was wrong with you.

You had to pay extra for a single room until hospitals figured out that people recovered faster and had fewer complications in a single room. (Less infection risk. Better sleep, or at least a little less bad.) Then they started building walls to turn the rooms they had into tiny little rooms. The article says they have hardly any single rooms, and they need to use them for infection control. WTF! Why aren't they concerned about infection control for all their patients?

The open wards I imagine are like the one where Madeleine has her appendix out. (Nobody has those. These days they want to send you home without your appendix 12 hours after you step into the ER.)

Date: 2023-10-05 08:37 am (UTC)
bens_dad: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bens_dad
I've seen it argued the other way; that having other patients going through the same thing is supportive, and with small rooms there are fewer eyes and ears to alert staff if something goes wrong.

Date: 2023-10-05 02:05 pm (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
Although, honestly, we got through a *lot* of my mother's final years of hospitalizations by making fun of other people in the ER or in her room once she was admitted.

It was better than the alternative, which was her putting all that negative emotion into picking fights with me.

Date: 2023-10-06 05:56 am (UTC)
bens_dad: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bens_dad
3. Looks like the consultation *closed* the day you posted this ?

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