Date: 2023-07-31 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] anna_wing
4 All the author's arguments would equally apply to actors playing Africans, Asians, or their descendants now resident in other parts of the world. He didn't actually make any kind of argument for why Jews should be treated differently.

Date: 2023-07-31 12:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
2) Garrett Hardin was also a prominent advocate for abortion rights back when that position was only beginning to percolate through general discourse. In the context of his fascist anti-life views as depicted here, that becomes a disturbingly strong anti-abortion argument. Especially in a defamatory article like this one. Two things bother me about the article: 1) whatever the invalidity of "the tragedy of the commons" in the terms that Hardin offered it, it's a real phenomenon. I have a graphic story of being victimized by it myself. 2) The author tars Hardin with the behavior of "a group he was involved with," whatever that means, under the Trump administration. I'd prefer an accusation more relevant in time when accusing someone who died 20 years ago. Groups change, sometimes startlingly.

3) Here I'm on the liberal side of rights for those with whom I disagree. Nigel Farage should have the right to a bank account. If he's doing something illegal with his money, that should be up to prosecutors, not the bank. Nor should the bank be privately policing sex workers, for the same reason. A bank is not a social media site, and having money in the bank is not controversial speech.

4) I'm a Jewish person who agrees that nothing bothers me about having qualified (in terms of their appropriateness for the part, not just the excellence of their work) non-Jewish actors playing Jewish roles, and Murphy made a good Oppenheimer, or would have if he hadn't mumbled so much. But anna_wing above is correct: the author offers no reason why this shouldn't apply to racial groups as well.

Date: 2023-07-31 03:46 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
Perhaps, then, you should have written item 4 instead of the person who did.

Date: 2023-07-31 06:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss
I don't think I agree re Farage. Banking - absolutely "core to surviving in society" and I think the argument holds. Private banking - it seems to me that they should be allowed to choose whichever customers they like. Given that they offered him a NatWest account, I'm not sure that I think that he had a right to a Coutts one. This isn't a strongly held belief and I'm open to changing my mind, but at the moment I can't see they had an obligation.

Date: 2023-07-31 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] toothycat
Never mind the right of a private business to choose their clients - Farage has repeatedly gone on record as defending employees' right to discriminate against customers regardless of such petty concerns as the legality of the act or their employers' wishes.

So one might argue that he now inhabits precisely the world he always wanted.

Date: 2023-07-31 02:53 pm (UTC)
dewline: "Truth is still real" (anti-fascism)
From: [personal profile] dewline
3. I agree with you on all of this. If the bank suspects their services are being used to criminal ends and wants to stop those specific activities, that's one thing. Cutting people off from banking completely is a troubling practice.

Date: 2023-07-31 02:43 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
On item 6, the abstract notes that the causality is obscure.

People who are worried about skin cancer, and tend to apply sunscreen regularly and wear hats when they're out in the sun might be more likely to take vitamin D supplements, to make up for the vitamin D that isn't being made in their skin.

It's also plausible that vitamin D intake correlates with some other thing people do because (they believe) it will help their health, and one of those other things is actually protective against melanoma.

I'm going to keep taking my vitamin D supplements, for other reasons. I'm also not sure those are good reasons either, but the supplements are inexpensive and my doctor thinks I should be taking them.

Date: 2023-07-31 03:36 pm (UTC)
gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (Default)
From: [personal profile] gingicat
(4) one Jewish person's opinion is one Jewish person's opinion.

(Due to worries from friends, I will in fact be going to see Oppenheimer and taking notes.)

Date: 2023-07-31 04:03 pm (UTC)
toothycat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] toothycat
I like how you have a mostly-but-not-entirely ad hominem essay explaining that the tragedy of the commons isn't a real thing because a guy that wrote about it was a horrible person in the same links post as the news article complaining how all our companies are going to pollute the commons more now the government has reduced the costs of doing so.
Edited Date: 2023-07-31 04:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2023-07-31 04:42 pm (UTC)
toothycat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] toothycat
That point is very well hidden in the everything else. AFAICT the main purpose of the whole article is to attach a whole bunch of negative karma to the phrase "tragedy of the commons" to help people more easily pattern-match to concepts like "defending racism" and shift conversations from logical modes to rhetorical ones.

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