Date: 2022-06-13 11:10 am (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
#7 mentions the Turing test, in the context of people having been briefly fooled by this or that proto- or not-even-slightly-AI.

I increasingly think that people should remember that the Turing test is a competition, in the game-theoretic sense – it's not at random that Turing originally called it the Imitation Game. With perfect play on the human side, it takes a genuinely intelligent AI to win it. But, conversely, with terrible play on the human side, any old half-arsed piece of crap can win.

Case in point: when I was a student, a couple of friends and I threw together a chatbot to sit in the Monochrome BBS talker, implementing essentially the standard Eliza algorithm, with only a couple of tiny modifications to make it cope (somewhat) gracefully with being in a multiparty conversation instead of a 1-1 dialogue. We didn't even try to hide what we were up to: we gave it the account name "eliza", for goodness' sake. But, of course, that meant it was a chat account with a female name in the 1990s, and that meant some idiot spent a solid 15 minutes trying to chat it up, without ever noticing he was talking to a computer. (Furthermore, this was in spite of other people in the chat room clearly having realised, and trying to tell him.)

Sometimes it's not the computer that triumphantly wins the Turing test – it's the human who embarrassingly loses!

Date: 2022-06-13 11:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] i_kender
Ahh! I've seen Ocean and I loved it.

Date: 2022-06-13 11:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
1. No and that has been known for way longer than the Argentinian experience which simply confirms what is already known. How many more times do we need to say it?

2. Done! I quite enjoyed that little rant! :o)

Date: 2022-06-13 12:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
3) You realize that those are two separate crimes.

4) That is the perfect match of visuals and music.

7) The problem is that I frequently meet people who demonstrate no more intelligence than a pattern-matching machine.

Date: 2022-06-13 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bens_dad
7. The sample dialogue that Turing gave in his paper includes an incorrect calculation (something like adding two twelve digit integers IIRC).

So either a "successful" AI cannot do arithmetic reliably, or it knows that it should not always tell us the truth. Either way, it has given away on of the advantages a computer once had over a person: you could be sure that it gave the right answer to the question that was asked (not necessarily the intended question).

That leaves a machine with the advantage that it doesn't need to be paid, which is a benefit to the owner but possibly not to the user.

My bottom line: a machine that passes the Turning test is good for its owner, but an economic threat to other humans. Therefore society should regulate the ownership (and I do not mean the use) of such devices.

Date: 2022-06-13 03:53 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
That leaves a machine with the advantage that it doesn't need to be paid

... or, at least, a machine which hasn't yet worked out a way to get enough negotiating leverage to arrange to get paid...

Date: 2022-06-13 08:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bens_dad
Ah. Thinking it through, I haven't worked out how to do that yet.
I must have survived by people who needed someone to do a job akso knowing someone who I had worked with, or in my main case, someone who had already been on a committee with me.

Date: 2022-06-13 03:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qilora
a girl i was dating when i was 17, was still pre-op... but (like many trans-folks) could not "pass" as a man, regardless of what her driver's license said..

she went to DMV and literally cried to them about the situation.. everyone who worked there was staring at her license, and the supervisor just gave "the look" and walked away and they *changed* the gender on her license... totally illegal to do it, but this happened in Jersey (we rarely follow the law there haha)

Date: 2022-06-13 05:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
I transitioned at fifteen and can still remember issues with documentation when I hit eighteen because back in the seventies that was still made as difficult as possible and some things they point blank refused to change (this was the UK).

Date: 2022-06-13 05:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qilora
i honestly think that the majority of folks were just clueless back then and are barely getting a clue nowadays... BUT things are (slowly) improving B"H

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