Date: 2019-03-20 01:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drplokta
I believe Cambridge already has a guided busway. What's the difference between that and a trackless tram?

Date: 2019-03-20 02:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] naath
So a large downside of the GB (among many) is that the guide track stops at the city edge and it is... just a bus. This plan appears to call for tunnels (in a swamp...) which would at least fix that issue; the roads in the city are very congested.

Date: 2019-03-20 02:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jack
I may be too cynical, but I don't know if that non-tram is any less of a boondoggle than the last time someone suggested something like that. We desperately need reasonable public transport, but the big problems seem to be, firstly, getting into the city centre at rush hour, without reducing car lanes, some sort of impossible tunnelling project, or... something. And secondly, we need transport which is reliable and ideally exists in the evenings and weekends. And has reasonable non-gotcha tickets. And will be used by people who have a choice, not only people who take 2 hours over a journey because they have to. Now that is slightly better along the guided busway, but it's still not *good*. I'm not sure any of the things proposed solved any of those problems.

I've heard, though can't vouch for, that the guy holding the weird county mayor job, wants to make some sort of splashy innovation, hence these plans as opposed to something a bit more down to earth.

People spent all the time the guided busway was being built quoting the monorail song from the simpsons, and here we are again.

I guess to be fair, there is more national funding for something like that than "run more buses until they actually run regularly", and the busway we got is reasonably useful for people who can use it. But it doesn't seem to address the problems most in need of addressing.

Date: 2019-03-20 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jack
Update: I was reading a different version of the article, I see it DOES propose tunnels. That would indeed be a great solution to the congestion issue, but it doesn't feel very plausible that you can make significant tunnels under Cambridge. If it were possible to have a decent rapid transit system that would be *amazing*, but given the difficulty with the current public transport I'm not sure the will is really there, and I expect it to be more difficult than expected even more so than most public infrastructure works...

Date: 2019-03-20 03:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rmc28
run more buses until they run regularly
gradually reduce all car parking inside of the park+ride sites / go residents-parking only city-wide
prioritise what car parking / access there is for those with mobility needs
don't charge for shopmobility etc
build more cycle lanes
add a lot more cycle parking (see removing car parking etc)

My feeling is that all of that would cost less than tunnels in a swamp, but I haven't rigorously estimated it.

Date: 2019-03-20 03:16 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel smiling against background of trees, with newly-cut short hair (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
Oh yeah, add better infrastructure for tourist coaches.

Date: 2019-03-21 11:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
It sounds rather splashy to me.

I don't see the point of a bus being magically guided by paint on the road over just A BUS.

Also, some idiot is going to spill white paint all over the road or re-draw the lines for a joke.

Date: 2019-03-20 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
'Trackless tram'?

Isn't that a trolleybus then?

Date: 2019-03-20 06:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] errolwi
A trackless tram has the advantage over a tram that it can leave the track, either to go around a blockage, or do a lower-frequency section of the route. The disadvantages include needing nearly as much work on foundations etc (always going along exactly the same line), and rubber on tarmac is less efficient than steel on steel.

Date: 2019-03-20 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Trolleybuses filled pretty much the same niche after trams went out of favour the first time round- bus shaped things running on standard wheels but picking up power off an overhead line like a tram.

The Chinese still use them (others may also still do so)

Edited Date: 2019-03-20 06:45 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-21 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
In Berlin, all the buses are going electric, due to a city centre diesel ban. That might be a better idea than trolleybuses? But they would have to run regularly and be faste / convenient enough.

I am very sure that retro-fitting tram / tramesque things / cycle lanes even if you could somehow dramatically widen the streets is HARD.

[We already have trams and reasonable cycle lanes. And The U-Bahn (Underground) But also VERY wide main streets built for such things, trams and cycle lanes are seperate to car lanes in the main, so trams are faster]

Date: 2019-03-20 10:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
> suggested re-introducing a city centre sprinter loop.”

Argh, lack of detail!

Does anyone know what this was?

Date: 2019-03-21 12:05 am (UTC)
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