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Date: 2018-07-26 11:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
With the fruit picking stuff, I found myself wondering how we got to the farms when I was a kid as nearly everyone from the council prefab estate where I grew up went fruit or hop picking or both.

Nobody much had a car and do you know, I really can't recall how we got there as we were townies.

Date: 2018-07-26 01:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
The change in farm-worker demographics would explain, for instance, why Norfolk used to be something of a Labour stronghold. Not so much in recent decades.

I'd compare this to the US, where farm-workers are mostly migrants who travel from region to region as the crops ripen first here, then there, and who at least in the West are usually Hispanic and mostly undocumented (thus the current administration's immigration policies are causing shortages in truck-farming produce, though not as bad as the food shortages will be for the UK under hard Brexit), if I knew much more about it than that.
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From: [personal profile] jack
Huh, so apparently Japan does use eras to denote dates in day-to-day life. I wasn't sure which countries used something other than Gregorian dates and which didn't.

A little while back, I remember looking for a chart of which dating system is used in which country and just not finding anything -- as in, which is most commonly used for standard business or government communication, even if people also use other calendars for other things. And yes, I know for some countries the answer will be more complicated. But I really couldn't find anything. And I couldn't work out if that meant, "actually everyone just uses the Gregorian calendar now" or "it's so complicated no-one could even provide a simple-words summary saying 'most countries do X, about 20% do Y, etc' or something else.
From: [personal profile] nojay
Japan mostly uses Christian-era calendaring -- my first trip to Japan was to attend Nippon 2007, the Japanese Worldcon. Official documents and things like railway tickets use era-dating but confusingly they actually print some of the ticket details in English. A Japan Rail reserved-seat ticket I got a couple of months back has the issue date printed on it as 30.-5.12, that is Heisei 30, month 5, day 12 but the date of use is printed as "MAY.21".

I've been told that expiry dates on food, medicines etc. use era-dating.

Date: 2018-07-26 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nancylebov
Perhaps people in the UK can buy from the American prepper industry-- there's a lot of shelf-staple food. It's a large market because Mormons are required to keep a year's worth of food. Now that I think about it, I have no idea how much of prepper market is Mormons, and how much is people who are expecting disaster without a religious requirement.

Date: 2018-07-26 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
That explains why many of the lists on what to stockpile have mentioned Mormons.

Date: 2018-07-27 10:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss
What would you do with a stockpile of Mormons when the Brexipocalypse arrives?

Date: 2018-07-27 11:04 am (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
It depends how bad things have gotten.
In the first instance, I’d probably try and ransom them back to Utah them for reliable supplies of olives, cheese and beer.
If things get bad, then they will be forced to toil in the Meadows growing cotton, sugar and tobacco for export to the mills of Glasgow.
If the situation is so dire that May resigns of her own volition then I’ll start thinking about eating the fat ones.
IF Rees-Mogg ends up as Prime Minister then I believe the only remaining option is to strap them to the bonnet of a souped up 4*4 and drive recklessly through the New Town tooting my horn and tutting viciously at tourists whilst sweltering in a set of steampunk leathers.

Date: 2018-07-26 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
Argh. As I was reading the comments about the shelf-stable food of preppers, I realized that many of those will require water to reconstitute - and I suppose the chemicals that keeps water purification plants safe are also delivered just-in-time. Oh good. Don't forget some bleach, then.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/BePreparedBeSafe/SevereWeatherandNaturalDisasters/WaterPurification
Iodine also works:
http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/manual/water.shtml

Date: 2018-07-26 10:46 pm (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Also sewage treatment plants have just-in-time deliveries of chemicals. Which, if they fail, will make the water treatment plants even more overloaded.

There are very good public health reasons to NOT stockpile chemicals for water and sewage treatment. The least expensive, and most effective way to chlorinate water is with tanker loads of compressed liquid chlorine. My city's sewage plant has a short rail spur that (deliberately) can only hold a single tanker car at a time, to mitigate the potential risk of a spill.

Calcium hypochlorite and sodium hypochlorite are solids (when dry), and safer to stockpile, but are much more expensive. Municipalities would probably not be able to afford much of them.

Date: 2018-07-27 02:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snippy
When I was a child (in the Pacific Northwest of the US, in the late 1960s and early 1970s), the strawberry fields ran bus routes (with school buses when school was out for summer break) for free so you could go pick strawberries and get paid. We were paid by the flat.

Date: 2018-07-27 10:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mountainkiss
I think Putin probably thinks that if he waits 48h then Trump will have a different view.

Date: 2018-07-27 11:05 am (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
He needs to wait 36 hours if he wants a different view. By 48 hours the view will be back to the original view.

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