Date: 2017-09-20 11:16 am (UTC)
supergee: (mogen david)
From: [personal profile] supergee
The new Jew Stereotypes in sf are Arabs, going back to The Mote in God's Eye.

Date: 2017-09-20 02:56 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
Ouch, yes. I read Moat Around Murchurson's Eye first, and wasn't really alert to the negative portrayal, but found Bury very sympathetic, even to one of the few sympathetic portrayals of muslim terrorism I've read. And then I read the first one, and WTF??

Date: 2017-09-20 01:17 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
What is clearly needed is time travelling submarine to settle the Brontosaurus question.

Date: 2017-09-20 01:19 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I think the Edinburgh motorway would have gone through my flat.

Date: 2017-09-25 08:18 am (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Yeah me too.

The whole idea seems monstrous and the city would not be at all as good to live in had it gone ahead.

Date: 2017-09-20 01:25 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Whenever I read things like the Space- Capitalist Jewish stereo-type thread I wonder how one might construct a space-faring race (or a fantasy race) who are primarly trade focused without hitting any of the cultural stereo-types about Jews and then I regret that I don't currently have the time to try that out in a book.

(Or, what element of Jewish culture one might "borrow" that weren't a strong part of the Ferenghi / Space-Jew riff and where that might take one with different Jews-In- SPAAAACE.)

Date: 2017-09-20 01:38 pm (UTC)
nancylebov: (green leaves)
From: [personal profile] nancylebov
I was thinking you could have a group (human or not, as you please) which is based on mixed middleman minorities. Jews, Bengalis, overseas Chinese, Igbos....

It would be a worthwhile project to present them without making them the bad guys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middleman_minority

Date: 2017-09-20 01:59 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
That would get you something usable whilst hopefullly avoiding too many stereotypes and certainly stereotypes that were negative falsehoods.

The Chinese in South-East Asia are a good shout. Singapore might be a useful starting point.

Interesting link - thanks. I think to the list of examples I might add the British in Argentina?

Date: 2017-09-20 02:18 pm (UTC)
nancylebov: (green leaves)
From: [personal profile] nancylebov
My suggestion was somewhat tongue in cheek. While I think a mixed culture of middleman minorities would be really cool, there's prejudice against all of them.

We're more familiar with anti-Semitism because it's local for us, and so far as I know, none of the other prejudices have the wild conspiratorial theories attached.

It would be interesting to have a balance between Trader and Guardian ethos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_of_Survival

Now that I think about it, that might be part of the background for A Fire Upon the Deep.

Date: 2017-09-20 02:27 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Aha - syndrome - that's the word I need for something else I've been thinking about! Thanks.

Date: 2017-09-20 02:35 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Tongue in cheek or not I think you're on to something. There has to be an economic foundation to the way any common behavious between those groups. If one could find them, then that would be interesting.

That's an interesting sounding book

Date: 2017-09-20 03:54 pm (UTC)
nancylebov: (green leaves)
From: [personal profile] nancylebov
Systems of Survival and A Fire Upon the Deep are both very interesting.

And Sowell's Black Rednecks and White Liberals has more about middleman minorities.

Date: 2017-09-20 01:28 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I was chatting to someone (possiblly someone from the dialogue group) about red squirrels and polecats and how the interaction between re-introducing polecats and red squirrel numbers was interesting because red squirrels and polecats had co-evolved and grey squirrels had no idea how to deal with polecats and spent more time on the ground but were apparantly delicious meal for two sized targets for polecats.

Date: 2017-09-21 10:45 am (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
It absolutely is pine martins.

The editor would like to apologise to any and all polecats if they were offended.

Date: 2017-09-20 01:36 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I am extremely sceptical about arguments that start with "displaying the insignia of a group is not a form of speech" and then lead on to being okay with banning and / or punching such displayers of insignia.

They start from, in my opinion, a dodgy, and unexamined, jurisprudential axiom that free speech is absolute. It's an absolute in the best known written constitution in the anglo-sphere. That doesn't mean that it has to be absolute.

I think one should be very, very careful in restricting speech.

I think if you are trying to classify behaviour that is clearly X as Y so that you can ban it (or punch it) without having to ban X then I think you will ultimately cause yourself more difficulties in the long run.

I'm okay with restricting speech that advocates for genocide or the subjugation of people based on their ethnicity and other popular Nazi tunes. I'm also okay with saying fascists have a long history of starting their politcal aspirations a long, long way beyond what is acceptable so, no, no one can be a fascist or advocate for fascism and that is a limit on the freedom of speech.
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
Yeah, I'm definitely interested, but I'm too familiar with the "failure, so just shouldn't try this, it's out of my reach" loop.

I also wonder, the article summarises the positive effects as "tried harder next time". I hope they were more clearly unambiguously positive in the actual study, "tilt harder" is not always the answer to failing to defeat the windmill.
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
That does sound better! I forget it's actually possible to make progress on this sort of thing :(
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
HMRC: You owe NI for this payment.
Employer: Oh, it's not *payment*. It's just gold that we gave someone in exchange for the work they did for us.
HMRC: Yes, that is literally the oldest form of payment in existence.

I'm pleased there is more focus on banning avoidance. I'd forgotten the government could do things I was pleased about!

Date: 2017-09-20 04:25 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
I had been under the impression that brontosaurus hadn't been reclassified as a type of apatosaurus but that it literally did not exist. That is, the skull of one species had been incorrectly attached to the body of another, and since the combination didn't resemble either of them, it was given a new name.

But apparently that's not quite what happened. Now I'm confused.

Date: 2017-09-22 05:04 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
Yeah, I'd read the wikipedia article before responding. It didn't clarify anything in regard to reconciling my previous understanding with the news story, or at least it wouldn't without far more careful study and head-scratching than I'd trust a wikipedia article for. I need an articulate paleontologist to query in person.

Date: 2017-09-21 08:39 am (UTC)
simont: (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
Red squirrels winning battle with greys in Aberdeen woods

My first thought was 'I'd watch that movie.'

Date: 2017-09-21 11:44 pm (UTC)
simont: (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
... and my second thought was "regardless of whether 'greys' means grey squirrels or Greys" :-)

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