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Date: 2017-06-17 12:25 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
But only so called 'experts' say they are unhealthy. All things in moderation surely?

Date: 2017-06-17 12:34 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
I agree there are some things you don't want ANY of, but I think those two things might still be used in medicine occasionally :) only for specific problems though, not for everyone

Date: 2017-06-17 02:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
I meant in terms of nutrition :op

Date: 2017-06-20 12:00 am (UTC)
amaebi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] amaebi
There are people who get trepanned for fun, though.

Date: 2017-06-17 02:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
I think what the first article is saying is that, if an expert who's also good at explaining things in simple terms can't explain it in simple terms, then we (i.e., in this case, the scientific community) don't understand it. It doesn't apply to individuals. People who understand things very well often have trouble explaining it in simple terms, not for not understanding it but because they lack the born teacher's talent at boiling it down.

There's also another factor. Explain things simply, and you may oversimplify complex concepts, or eschew proper technical terms. Then if other experts hear you do this, they may not realize that you're talking that way deliberately, and doubt your own knowledge. I get this all the time in comments. I simplify something because it's complicated and irrelevant, and someone pops in to explain it in a "I know this, but I guess you don't" tone of voice. Happened to me recently right here.

Date: 2017-06-19 01:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] armiphlage
In "Thing Explainer", simplification is carried to extremes, using only the 1000 most common English words.

https://xkcd.com/thing-explainer/

Quite effective, it helped me fully understand both special and general relativity for the first time ever, despite having been able to do the math for decades.

We are now re-writing all of our documentation at work into Simplified Technical English (ASD-STE100). If we can't explain procedures in simple terms, operators aren't able to follow them consistently.

Date: 2017-06-17 03:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] randomdreams
I continue to argue with the "if you can't explain it in simple terms you don't understand it" concept, by making the case that for many topics, by the time you've explained it, you're no longer using simple terms, you've just given your audience enough background to understand the non-simple terms you're now using. I think this discussion comes from a shallow view of language: 'car' is not a simple term, but it's one that almost all of us know, so we think it's simple.

Date: 2017-06-17 05:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] conuly
Black women adopt white accents more readily than black men, in post apartheid South Africa

Unsurprising. In general, women tend to be better at codeswitching than men are, and are more likely to use language choices to cement social ties. I don't know why this should be.
Edited Date: 2017-06-17 05:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-19 12:56 am (UTC)
armiphlage: (Daniel)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Sadly, it may be a behavioural strategy (similar to Stockholm Syndrome) that increases survival rates when captured by an aggressor. Rapid integration into a new group and acceptance of the new hierarchy increases value and reduces the risk of death.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12110-014-9216-1

Date: 2017-06-19 09:56 pm (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
(Also, I suspect there's something going on where men band together to form an in-group, and resisting the out-group is a signalling mechanism to show how loyal you are. Whereas women tend towards public compliance, and then working around things in the background.)

No, I don't think that's it. As I recall, men EITHER adopt the prestige dialect OR double down on their native dialect. Women middle-of-the-road it, and are also more adept at codeswitching, as I said. (But this is long time, so I could be misremembering?)

Another "simple terms" comment

Date: 2017-06-17 08:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] amaebi
It seems to be (maybe mostly) past now, but it used to be common in the US to claim that every short explanation is better than every longer explanation, that any explanation that takes more than one double-spaced page must be arcane or what is explained, spurious, which no clear distinctive made between arcane and spurious.

And particularly for systems concepts, particularly to deliver them in everyday terms, more time and space is needed.

But then, it's the pro-short critic's assumption of judgeship, rather than a recognition that understand comes (or doesn't) from an interaction between expounder and reader....

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