New vaccine for nicotine addiction.

Date: 2012-06-28 01:07 pm (UTC)
teresafloyd: (Default)
From: [personal profile] teresafloyd
EEP! I'm normally pro-vaccination, but that's for disease. In this case, I agree with you!

The place for preventing nicotine addiction belongs to improvements on the existing methods of education and legal sanctions to keep tobacco out of the hand of minors and to persuade people not to take it up.

The addiction to smoking is much more than a mere physiological response. Smoking is a habit and even a lifestyle as well and curing the addiction requires a multifaceted approach.

My husband has since quit, but there was a time when he would have continued smoking out of habit even if the physiological response had been removed.

Date: 2012-06-28 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com
Re male forced marriages: I have a friend who dated an Indian man for several years. His parents didn't approve of their relationship, because they didn't want him marrying a white woman. They got engaged anyway and set a wedding date. Then his parents forced him into marriage with an Indian girl who he'd never met.

Date: 2012-06-28 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camies.livejournal.com
As per your example, I doubt whether it is just 'gay or bisexual' men as the original article states, but men of whatever orientation, who don't want to marry, or marry just yet, or marry that particular woman.

Date: 2012-06-28 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
While the rest of those planks are insane, getting rid of the IRS and having a national sales tax instead would actually get rich people to pay their share of taxes - because, you know, rich people tend to buy stuff.

Date: 2012-06-28 11:57 am (UTC)
chess: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chess
You say that, but rich people tend to be able to buy stuff overseas / through arrangements that aren't taxed. So actually a flat sales tax (which is probably what they're after) mostly hurts the poor, who spend a higher proportion of their money in normal shops (rather than being able to save it or buying stuff using other arrangements) and would stop benefiting from progressive income taxation...

Date: 2012-06-28 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laplor.livejournal.com
There is a limit to how many things can be purchased by one person. I think a greater number of domestic purchases (by number of things if not by value) are made by middle class or poor people.

Sales taxes spread the burden out, but do not address the real inequalities in the tax burden.

Date: 2012-06-28 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
Given that the rich pay virtually no tax now, and the poor have federal taxes taken directly out of their paychecks, I'm not sure how much the poor are benefiting from progressive income taxation now.

Date: 2012-06-28 02:04 pm (UTC)
chess: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chess
Sure, the super-rich are making out like bandits, but the everyday rather-well-off pay more in their income tax bill than the really-struggling-to-survive. Sales tax eases off the upper middle class at the expense of the working class.

Date: 2012-06-28 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
But as soon as you get rid of the income tax the poor and working class suddenly get a 40 percent raise because federal taxes are not taken directly out of their paycheck anymore.

Unless the sales tax itself is 40 percent that means more money in their pockets.

Date: 2012-06-28 02:34 pm (UTC)
chess: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chess
Is US income tax really a 40% flat rate?

I guess I'm used to UK tax which has an amount you can earn tax-free, then a 20% rate for most ordinary earners, then a 40% rate for reasonably high earners, then a 45% (previously 50%) rate for very high earners. (Done in the sensible way where the higher rate only applies on the amount over the threshold, so there's no sudden taxation jump at the boundaries.)

Date: 2012-06-28 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
It's not a flat rate (and the rate may have changed slightly since I moved) but when I was living there they took 40 percent out of your check before you got paid and then if that ended up being too much money gave you the excess money back (without interest) roughly 16 months later.

Date: 2012-06-28 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
Just looked it up it's 31.2 percent at the moment (Bush must have lowered the withholding rate to some degree at some point.) Not quite as bad as 40 percent, but still a fair amount of money to have taken out of your pay before you even get it.

Date: 2012-06-28 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pete stevens (from livejournal.com)
Providing you ignore national insurance and employers national insurance. If your employer pays an extra £1, it adds 88p after employers NI, which is 60p after tax and employees NI. So the real rate is 40% which starts at £7475, rises to 49% at about 42k, then about 70% between 100k and 112k, then back to 49% then roughly 59% past 150k.

Of course you can easily skirt this by registering a company and declaring it to be unearned income paid out through dividends which gives the tax rates you list, but largely only richer people can do that.

Date: 2012-06-28 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
Poor people spend a greater % of their income on stuff; whilst rich people also save and invest money, as well as spending it abroad.

Date: 2012-06-28 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
As it is in America the rich pay virtually zero tax. This way they would pay a lot more tax then they do now, because they can't outsource eating in restaurants, their bar bills, haircuts, buying cars, Starbucks, hotel rooms for their mistresses, the cost of escort services, etc....

Meanwhile the poor currently have about 40 percent of their pay taken out of their paychecks for federal taxes before they even get paid.

A national sales tax would therefore give an immediate 40 percent pay raise to poor people.

Date: 2012-06-28 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
The poor would get the difference between 40% and the sales tax rate surely?

A sales tax is a very regressive tax, but I suppose it is better than the rich paying nothing at all.

Date: 2012-06-28 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poisonduk.livejournal.com
I've met that Elmo - he used to parade around Times square - i have my photo taken with him outside the M&M store

Date: 2012-06-28 12:57 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (questions)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
How are you so sure it's the same Elmo? Was he on an anti-Semitic rant at the time?

Date: 2012-06-28 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poisonduk.livejournal.com
It wasn't anti semitic but there were rants, I think it was children being spawn of the devil

Date: 2012-06-28 01:40 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (full of shit)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
I knew I hated that Elmo for a reason. I usually avoid all mascots in Times Square for reasons of being afraid of them.

10%? Is that all?

Date: 2012-06-28 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaos-monkey.livejournal.com
I would think the numbers are close to 50/50, surely?
It's a bit mean to assume that the bloke involved is always a-ok with having some poor woman forced to marry him.
This just means that 10% of the UK-based people who've contacted the forced marriage unit for assistance have been men.

That could be for all sorts of reasons - not wanting to reveal a sexuality-based reason for the action their family are trying to take; narratives on masculinity that prevent them feeling they can or should ask for help; the fact that nearly all of the publicity etc around forced marriage is aimed at women (and therefore men may assume the help is not available to them)...

My reaction to this would be that it's an alarm bell that means the people operating these units need to look at how they're framing the conversation. It's a red flag that they're probably doing it wrong.

Re: 10%? Is that all?

Date: 2012-06-28 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
My understanding is that the groom is often not from Britain, so is perhaps less likely to be complaining to the UK forced marriage unit.

Urban Britain

Date: 2012-06-28 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
I think my prefered option to paving over some green belt would be to encourge brown field redevolopement more and to increase housing density by building up.

Whenever I drive through Edinburgh's bungalow land I get frustrated at the amount of space used profligately.

Date: 2012-06-28 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
You may be interested in our roundup of other blogger opinions on The Secret World:

http://www.mmomeltingpot.com/2012/06/impressions-from-the-final-secret-world-beta/

Date: 2012-06-28 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Anti-nicotine patch is yet again life imitating art: the anti-alcohol drug in Tintin and the Picaros.

Though why do you disapprove? We vaccinate children against all sorts of stuff. We don't want them to start smoking. Doesn't this lessen harm?

Date: 2012-06-28 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
Surely it's a matter of the specific costs and benefits of a particular vaccine (which the researcher in TFA says needs doing) , rather than the principle of vaccination per se?

Date: 2012-06-28 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I'm seeing the choice to become addicted to something as a particularly valuable one, any more than I value the choice to become infected by a pathogen. I don't see any sharp logical distinction here between this vaccine (assuming it works ideally) and a hypothetical HIV vaccine. Sure, it'd be denying the child the right to choose to become a bugchaser as an adult, but I'd see that as a rather small and unimportant right compared to the benefit.

With the vaccine as hyped, it's not that you can't smoke, it's that the nicotine is mopped up fast enough that it's not habit-forming. It's not stopping you doing it (which I would have slightly more of a problem with), it's just stopping it being addictive.

(One concern I'd want tested out before wanting the thing for me or my kids is whether in practice this has the perverse effect of meaning people smoke more because they perceive it as easy to stop.)

Something with the sort of effect as, say, disulfiram would be a different matter. Disulfiram is used - very occasionally - to try to treat alcoholism: it makes you very very sensitive to alcohol, so if you drink the tiniest amount (even the amount you might get in medicine) you become shaky, headachey and really pretty ill. To my mind that's different because it causes harm, rather than simply removing harm.

Protection against disease or arsenic, sure.

But addiction is widely classified as a disease. In terms of harm caused, alcoholism and nicotine addiction are up there in the top lists of avoidable morbidity and mortality. Do you think addiction isn't a disease, or shouldn't be?

And arsenic is a mild stimulant and has been used as such recreationally. Famously it gives one lustrous hair. It's also an antibiotic - discarded in clinical practice in favour of newer drugs with a better therapeutic window, but with drug resistance growing I wouldn't want to put even rubbishy weapons like that beyond use.

Date: 2012-06-29 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
One of the reasons the MMR is so important, is that people who don't take it put other peoples' lives in jeopardy too by reducing herd immunity, and that's a pretty powerful argument against letting people choose not to have it.

By the same argument, nicotine is addictive, encouraging people to continue to smoke, which encourages others to smoke too (not sure whether you can become addicted by passive smoking, but peer pressure is certainly a factor). Therefore, by reducing the group of people who can be addicted to it, it might stop spreading fast enough to die out.

Date: 2012-06-28 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I disagree about Body Harvest being on that list of games. If being 3d-open-world-with-vehicles-to-jump-into is innovative then it should really be Hunter or Midwinter that's there.

Oolong vs. Buchu

Date: 2012-07-01 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0olong.livejournal.com
I'm surprised the Wired guy says Yie Ar Kung Fu was little known outside of Japan - it certainly seemed to be well-known among my London friends around that time...

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