Interesting Links for 26-05-2012
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andrewducker- Matt Smith set to carry Olympic torch
- The Bible actually gives instructions on carrying out an abortion.
- Retailer uses 3D QR codes and the sun to deliver discounts only during its quiet times
- 25 True Facts About Scottish Independence.
- The Treehotel in Sweden looks amazing
- From Love To Bingo: A 1 Minute Story Told Through 873 Stock Photographs
- My Heinlein Score is 14/21. What's yours?
- Elon Musk on what's next for SpaceX
- Chris Hemsworth breaks uncomfortable news live on the radio in Thor's voice.
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Date: 2012-05-26 11:30 am (UTC)And I note that 21/21 is not possible if you want to actually get recognised for your achievement...
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Date: 2012-05-26 12:44 pm (UTC)I reckon I'd manage about 14, depending on whether you'd count my flaky VBA as "programming a computer".
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Date: 2012-05-26 01:39 pm (UTC)And specialization may be for insects, but I'm pretty sure Bob would have disapproved of me ;}P>
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Date: 2012-05-26 02:23 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-05-26 06:57 pm (UTC)This is an agreement the woman agrees to, presumably for a superstitious people. The priest says "Ok, this guy says you were unfaithful. So we'll do this test, and if you were cheating, God will turn you into a big fat troll with no ass. And if you weren't cheating, you'll be fine." A guilty-conscience woman would have trouble agreeing to this ceremony.
The passage also makes no mention of pregnancy.
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Date: 2012-05-26 07:04 pm (UTC)"21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse —“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5&version=NIV
"21 then the priest must make the woman utter the curse and say to the woman, “May the Lord make you a curse and a harmful pledge among your people, when the Lord induces a miscarriage and your womb discharges. 22 And may the water that brings these curses enter your stomach and make your womb discharge and make you miscarry.”"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5&version=CEB
Now, there are other translations - but at least some versions translate it that way. If you have access to a biblical scholar who can find translate from the Hebrew, I guess we could find out how the original translates.
Buncha translations here, having looked about:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/numbers/5-21-compare.html
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Date: 2012-05-26 07:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-26 07:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-26 07:13 pm (UTC)*sigh*
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Date: 2012-05-26 08:52 pm (UTC)http://andrewducker.livejournal.com/2721429.html?thread=22203541#t22203541
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Date: 2012-05-26 07:11 pm (UTC)Oooh, actually, I kinda, somewhat do. Or at least someone who will probably know who to ask. I shall go prod them online!
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Date: 2012-05-26 08:09 pm (UTC)Okay, if you want the generally accepted scholarly translation, here's the text of Numbers 5 from the NRSV, which is one of the only two versions I let students use in class (the other is the JPS). However, to rise above the version wars, let me give you the super-rad translation of Everett Fox's:
And Fox's note on the verse is this:
I'm not going to play the game of WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY SAY, because ... well, that's for people who've done a whole lot more research than I have. What I'd rather do is point out that for the thousands of years of Jewish tradition the text has existed, it hasn't been read as being about abortion -- largely because it's a) 100% not the woman's elective procedure being described there, and b) only incidentally about what might be inside that uterus. Instead, this text describes the ritual of Sotah, which merits its own sub-section of the Talmud.
I'll tell you right now, though, that if you tried to use this argument to convince Bible-believing abortion opponents that they should support abortion because God does, and this was your sole argument, you'd get laughed off the stage. Both sides would tell you that the Law demands lots of things that people don't do anymore: Jews because there's no Temple or Temple priesthood any longer, and Christians because Christians, through Jesus, have a different relationship to the Law. I mean, there are many, many more scriptures that talk about stoning people to death, but you don't see people making blog posts claiming that you can believe in the Bible or you can be anti-stoning, but you can't do both.
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Date: 2012-05-26 08:51 pm (UTC)And absolutely, on the last part. I don't think he's going to have any luck with that part. I was just terribly amused by it. People will take the bits they want from the Bible, back it up with things cobbled together from wherever, and use it to believe what they wanted to.
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Date: 2012-05-26 07:13 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-05-27 02:11 am (UTC)Now if you wanted to talk about abortion, you could point to the old testament God as having no problem killing women and children who were inconvenient.
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