Date: 2011-11-21 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigwotflies.livejournal.com
The Bach thing is both very clever and intensely annoying to listen to for anyone who knows the piece, because the timing and phrasing is just off what a human player would play.

Date: 2011-11-21 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigwotflies.livejournal.com
Or rather, it makes the little variations in timing away from playing the notes exactly as written that give the piece expression _all_ the time, making them annoying.

Date: 2011-11-21 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khbrown.livejournal.com
What is the 'right; way to play a score? Is a computer too perfect, that every note lasts exactly whatever duration it is programmed to be? At what point does human variability become unacceptably 'sloppy' or imprecise?

Date: 2011-11-21 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigwotflies.livejournal.com
That is the crucial question. And I'm not sure what the answer is. That Bach piece bugged me because it's one I know very well (and have attempted myself) and that version just sounds 'off'. Not in tuning, but the timing. Expressive playing comes from lots of factors - timing, pressure of the bow, tuning, vibrato, phrasing. In the app, the variations in timing in notes don't make sense. I think it's that the same pattern of tiny delays in timing is repeated all the time, which a human player wouldn't do. Any one phrase could sound like that from a human, but when they all do, the effect is artificial and odd. A sort of musical uncanny valley, maybe?

It also sounds wrong to me because the strings are plucked, whereas the piece as written is bowed. It sounds more like it's being played on a harpsichord that a cello.

Date: 2011-11-21 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khbrown.livejournal.com
Perhaps for those more knowledgeable about these things than me:

Could a Markov model be used for a computer musician with an initial seed value to make the variations in duration, pitch etc., variable but also consistent in their variations?

It's a long time since I've used sequencers, but they used to have humanize and quantize functions, the former making the machine more human and the latter making the human more machine like.

Date: 2011-11-21 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
"Amazon leaves girl gamers out in the cold."

Well no - only people (of either gender) who would prefer to play a female character. That's not the same thing at all.


While I would expect a substantial number of male gamers to never want to play as a girl (they're probably the sort who feature regularly on that Fat, Ugly or Slutty website), I would expect far fewer girl gamers to never want to play as a bloke, if only because the girl gamers would miss out on more games.

Date: 2011-11-21 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
Ah - my bad. I misinterpreted the story. Yes that is a bit poor from a marketing point of view, although in the great scheme of things if that is the most upsetting thing to happen to a person on a particular day, then it's probably quite a good day!

I don't mind being stuck with one gender in a game. Would Tomb Raider be better if you could play as Laurence Croft? Would Super Mario Bros be better if you could play as Maria or Louisa?

Date: 2011-11-21 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bracknellexile.livejournal.com
Having linked to the story on FB, one friend's come back to say that she knows a bunch of folk who pre-ordered from Amazon and got codes for both male and female avatars which leaves several possibilities:

1) Amazon have fixed it after complaints.
2) The original post is in error and the person just entered the wrong code of two.
3) It's a genuine mistake with this one person and they just need to contact customer support.

Date: 2011-11-21 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bracknellexile.livejournal.com
Yeah. Seems the fix happened Thursday/Friday which would tie in with my friend's comments that the pre-orders she'd heard about that had both codes were all received on the Friday. Presumably the codes were emailed to the Amazon e-mail addresses rather than sent on paper in the boxes.

Date: 2011-11-21 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
I love that underwater egg video. However,

"When the divers broke the egg, the result was not a gloppy mess, but rather the egg remained in a ovoid shape until it, well, disappeared!"

That seemed unlikely and you couldn't really see from the video -- you could see a whole yoke but not really the white -- the source claims "The reason that the egg looks yellow is the fact that raw egg whites are nearly transparent, so it’s hard to make them out on video". Alas, if you check on youtube there are other, better focussed, underwater egg videos and you can see that the white actually becomes a bit of a gloppy mess but the yolk stays whole. (which tallies with my expectations from numerous attempts to make great poached eggs).

I'm going to have to try this but it's going to be a while before I'm diving anywhere where I can get to 30 or 40 metres depth with any kind of good light.

Date: 2011-11-21 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I'm such a foodie, I was thinking "That poor fish, it will never get another hen's egg."

As for the music visualization, I was wondering how it would work if it were based on a version well played by a human being, with the shapes of the circular tracks shifting to bring the balls around at the right emotional moment-- this would be much harder to program, but might be fun to watch.

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