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Date: 2011-10-28 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hano.livejournal.com
time to up sticks and go to Dreamwidth I think...

Date: 2011-10-28 11:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyprinella
Has France always been this ban-happy or is this a new, reactionary government thing?

Date: 2011-10-28 12:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyprinella
It just seems like every story I see about France is "France bans this" or "France bans that". Probably based on how I get my news more than anything.

Date: 2011-10-28 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skington.livejournal.com
It's not a ban, merely a refusal to acknowledge vegetarianism (or veganism).

And yes, the French take school dinners, and the quality of food in general, very seriously.

Date: 2011-10-28 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
I'm pondering the upping sticks too.

Had a look at the import. Does it convert all the privacy settings on each post too?

Date: 2011-10-28 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Yup.

And the 'chicken' thing is pretty universal; I heard similar stories happening to my dad's students on their exchange years in France.

Though I don't think it's that chicken is not perceived as 'meat'. Rather, it's the word that's routinely translated as 'meat' really means 'red meat'. It's as if someone said, 'I don't eat game', and you said, 'That's okay, I'll make beefburgers'.

Date: 2011-10-28 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
France: NakedHeadMeatLand!

Date: 2011-10-28 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
And the Burqua thing, much as it was paraded as a ban, was actually the removal of a loophole from a existing ban - face coverings like motorcycle helmets have been banned in public places in France for years and Burquas had previously been exempt from this. Not that I agree with Governments telling women what they can and can't wear in public, but this case was all more complicated.

Date: 2011-10-28 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skington.livejournal.com
Also, the reason French granny said "that's OK, I'll do chicken" rather than "I'll do fish" is that it wasn't Friday.

Date: 2011-10-28 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
I was right there with the anti-wheat guy until he said people should eat soy products instead. Soy is evil in an entirely different way - currently responsible for high rates of deforestation in the Amazon and it trashes soil fertility. When did food chices get some complicated? I can't win :( Even the co-op have started using palm oil in their own brand products despite it being the number 1 cause of deforestation in SE Asia.

Date: 2011-10-28 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skington.livejournal.com
A google search for "France bans" mostly turns up "France bans ketchup", which is the food guidelines story Andy just linked to, and "France bans street prayer", which is France being over-so-slightly anti-Muslim racist, but also vehemently anti-public-religion in general. French bans on burqas and other obvious religions muslim symbols have also extended to the rather ostentatious crucifixes that plenty of French people wear around their necks as well, although the cynic in me wonders how strongly that ban will be enforced.

The supposed ban on ketchup is in fact a far more reasonable "you can't have ketchup all the goddamn time, this is France, not the US, and kids need to learn about French food traditions, which don't involve ketchup all the bloody time".

Date: 2011-10-28 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
The French ban thing (okay, it isn't technically a ban) seems like a very dogmatic approach to me. I don't think that a vegetarian diet is essentially unhealthy for children of school age (although I have yet to be convinced about vegan diets).

In addition to the "won't eat" people, what about the "can't eat" people? They say that they can only offer one meal option per day. Do they take equal care for gluten intolerant children? For lactose intolerant children? What about nut allergies? Are they just going to decide that everyone who isn't catered for by their particular diet just has to go elsewhere?

I recall my school offering many different options, with separate salad bar and snack bar. It seems that France's restrictions are more like sheer bloody mindedness than due to any practical reasoning.

Date: 2011-10-28 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johncoxon.livejournal.com
I will move over to Dreamwidth when they give me an incentive to abandon my permanent account. Seriously, it bemuses me that they don't offer paid account trials for LiveJournal's permanent account holders. Also, I'd like to see massive and radical changes to the UX (the system is crap, it's been crap since I signed up for LiveJournal, please can we have a different one now?) and I'd like some actually decent journal styles, since all the existing ones are fugly.

Also, am I the only person in the world that thinks it'd be much easier just to tell businesses to open 8am–4pm instead of changing the time zone over? I don't get why we can't just do it that way.
Edited Date: 2011-10-28 01:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-10-28 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Also, he was talking about people gaining a bit over 40 pounds/year because of excess calories and appetite from wheat.

I can believe there are people who gain 40 pounds in a year, though I don't think its very common for non-dieters. However, year after year? 200 pounds in five years? Rare. 400 pounds in 10 years? Hardly anyone.

Date: 2011-10-28 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
Wheat is evil. Sugar is more evil.

Apple make a decent profit on each device sold, Samsung don't, so market share as raw numbers-of-units is a little misleading.

Date: 2011-10-28 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johncoxon.livejournal.com
A) But if the Government says, "We're staying on GMT from here on in and if people want to get up earlier or later then they can deal with that themselves," surely businesses would adapt?
B) I'm more postulating this as an answer to the idea of staying permanently on BST, rather than as a method for going one hour forward/one hour backward. But I'm sure that it wouldn't be an insurmountable challenge – you just set the Daylight Savings flag to automatically minus 1 from every time instead of keeping the time the same but setting an offset against GMT. If iCal can change appointment times based on timezone (which it can, without any issues), then this can be implemented easily.
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