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Date: 2011-08-05 12:34 pm (UTC)
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Dutch Christianity gives you the same odds as Russian roulette.

Date: 2011-08-05 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerrypolka.livejournal.com
I love atheist clergy! I might hope to be one myself someday.

Date: 2011-08-05 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
I think the world will be intently watching to see how the Norwegians handle that case. I want to agree entirely with the Norwegian system, but that guy really makes it difficult.

I am utterly opposed to the death penalty, and any use of torture, but plenty of people in this country are not, and while I strongly wish they didn't feel that way, I can't help but understand why they do. After a 200+ comment discussion on my FB (my cousin being the only pro-capital punishment commenter), I feel even more resolute. But again, that guy strains our tolerance so much, I can see how many people are willing to change their minds.

On the other hand, I am entirely in agreement that the American prison system is an absolute disgrace. I really hope they are able to learn something from all this.

Date: 2011-08-05 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
I think the world will be intently watching to see how the Norwegians handle that case.

Do you? I don't think anyone will care, he'll be forgotten as soon as he is sentenced. The Americans certainly aren't going to change their criminal system because of it.

Date: 2011-08-05 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
Evidence from living in Scotland suggests that no-one will care until he gets diagnosed with a terminal disease and released on compassionate grounds to die at home. Then all the retributionary 'justice' fans will be up in arms every time he appears in public until he dies and then they'll all cheer and say he finally got what he deserved.

Not that I'm bitter about having to defend our justice system over the Lockerbie Bomber every 5 minutes or anything :/

Date: 2011-08-05 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
He doesn't strain my tolerance at all, he's quite clearly utterly wrong in the head. But then I'm always horrified when people come out in favour of the death penalty.

Date: 2011-08-05 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
I would support the death penalty only under very, very narrow circumstances. Guilt would have to be established well beyond the "reasonable doubt" bar, the risk to reoffend would have to be high, and the condemned would have to be both beyond rehabilitation and at high risk to escape or to harm others even while encarcerated.

Practically, though, I oppose it because it'd be virtually impossible to meet all those and it's just too easy to condemn the wrong person.

-- Steve does think that retribution makes for a lousy excuse; civilised countries do not kill people to make others feel better.

Date: 2011-08-06 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
I say, yes, it does offend our sense of justice. It offends mine. But I am very wary of my own instinct for retribution, and of yours. The idea of balancing some cosmic scale, of restoring the moral order to equilibrium, is deeply appealing. But there is no cosmic scale to balance. The moral order is not some sort of pervasive ethereal substance that threatens to undo us if monstrous offence is not met with equally ferocious punishment.

God damn but you find some of the best links.

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