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Date: 2010-12-24 06:01 pm (UTC)And he's not putting forward a business plan - he's talking about how he feels about the matter, and the observations he's made.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:04 pm (UTC)His argument on this point seems to boil down to "people like stealing my books because People Are Bad". If he just wants to get that off his chest, fair enough, I'm not going to oppose a good rant. But for someone who makes his living on consumer IP, it's not a very smart way to think, and it's not a particularly useful POV to pass on to others who are presumably looking to him for wisdom.
File-sharing is much more complicated than he's making out.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:08 pm (UTC)The remix, CC, etc. culture is certainly complex. And TV, games, etc. still have their issues. But when it comes to the piracy of music (which is the example he leads with) I can't see where the complexity is.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:09 pm (UTC)My feeling at the end of reading the piece was "Excellent, another potential competitor in the online storytelling market, with a bigger fanbase and more experience than me, auto-Darwinating himself out of the race."
(And nope, the "give it away, make money on dead tree" aren't the people I'm talking about. I'd venture that actually, the people who are following the Charlie Stross/Cory Doctorow model are actually in the minority of those making serious money through online book sales. I'm talking about people who make cash selling ebooks and other online information/storytelling product.)
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:13 pm (UTC)Some people put in a great deal of unpaid work curating collections of work for others to download for free. You don't see shoplifters putting in 20 hours a week curating collections of DVD players for other people to nick.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:15 pm (UTC)Note - NOT "how do we get less people to illegally download for free"? That question is totally irrelevant to any artist's revenues, because it has a massive, inaccurate built-in assumption.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:22 pm (UTC)When it comes to theft (or copyright infringement) people are much happier to do it to faceless distant people than they are to people they're interacting with. Once you've downloaded a few things, and start feeling you're getting a service, it's only natural to want to help out the people that are helping you out.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:43 pm (UTC)(Excepting The Beatles, who I downloaded because they aren't available in MP3 format to buy.)
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:44 pm (UTC)While I do think that the Nordic people probably pictured their deities as white like themselves, ultimately they, the Nordic people, just didn't care. And, after much prayer and meditation, I have come to the opinion that Heimdall doesn't care either. If he is properly portrayed as an absolute Nordic God "I Fight Off Ragnarok" Bad Ass then all is good. :)
Blessed Be. :)
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:49 pm (UTC)Because, yes, it's a fascinating discussion. My gut feel at the moment is that any method that worked well five years ago is now starting to have problems, and any method that works well now is probably going to be in trouble five years from now.
So there are probably plenty of things people can do right now in order to get publicity and drive people towards sales. The question is whether there's any such thing as a sustainable approach, or whether any technique will need constant re-evaluation.
Also - I'm not convinced that the entirety of the readership _want_ to pirate. Many people _are_ willing to pay for things. I'm ecstatically happy to pay £10 to Spotify for the privilege of not having to worry about which sites I'm going to have to wade through to find the music I want to listen to. Many other people that have money are happy to pay for things because they want to reward the creator. I suspect that the percentage of people who would choose copyright infringement over paying for the product is inversely proportional to both income and age.
In which case media aimed at youth is going to be marketed and sold quite differently to media aimed at older/richer consumers. Not that I'm entirely sure _how_, of course.
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Date: 2010-12-24 06:51 pm (UTC)If Thor was supposed to be a faithful recreation of the original mythology then I'd have slightly more sympathy for the objectors. But they're complaining about a version of the superhero books that ripped off Norse mythology and melded into such comics as The Hulk and Spiderman. Asking for accuracy in this case seems a tad silly.
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Date: 2010-12-24 07:01 pm (UTC)The armor is utterly ridiculous! I would have my Nordic deities (and I am very fond of them, mind you) in beautiful but REALISTIC armor. The kind of armor that looks like you would put it on when getting ready to battle frost giants.
But hey, I'm looking forward to the movie. :)
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Date: 2010-12-24 08:17 pm (UTC)Also /agree on the constant reevaluation issue, partially because we've not yet got a handle on the landscape. I'm learning a lot about advertising right now, and one of the really interesting things about it is that many of the really great texts for learning to write advertisments were written 90-100 years ago. That seems to have been the time when advertising started to settle, and people began, rather than figuring out methods with a very short shelf life, to figure out durable advertising principles based on human nature rather than current culture.
I'm pretty confident that similar methods exist to deal with the digital world, ease of copying, etc. But I'm equally confident that very few if any people are using them and codifying them yet. We're still in the first 10 years of working on this, after all.
(And it'll go faster and more effectively when people stop treating this entire thing as a primarily moral rather than practical/business issue. Rant, rant.)
Income's an issue, of course, although it's my sense that generational viewpoints on the entire thing are a larger one. After all, it's the 18-35 demographic that's traditionally viewed as the cash-rich impulse-purchase one. It's not that younger people won't pay for things, it's that they're less likely to pay for IP in conventional forms. Moar Testing Needed. Currently it's my best guess (without seriously thinking about this answer and after some wine) that relationship marketing is the long-term key. It's all about what benefits paying as opposed to getting stuff for free offers - which often won't be quantifiable - combined with a healthy dose of framing (see the Washington Post's experiments framing a world-class musician as a subway busker) and relationship building.
To float an initial balloon: an artist who is percieved as *deserving* their music being ripped off appears to be hundreds of times more likely to be pirated than someone who is near-universally considered as not being so deserving. I think it was pirate copies of Serenity that ended up getting taken down after complaints from *other pirates*, for example.
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Date: 2010-12-26 04:20 pm (UTC)"I'm not sure it's nearly as complicated as it used to be. Back in ye olden days there were all sorts of reason to share files - DRM, lack of availability, etc. Nowadays massive swathes of music are available, and DRM isn't an issue any more."
DRM, crappy formats and arbitrary decisions are still an issue.
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