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Date: 2010-12-24 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
On placebos - just a thought, did they adequately ascertain that the people actually knew what 'placebo' or 'sugar pill' meant? Did they in so many words explain that there there was no medicine in the pills, that there was no way that they could affect anything and that you might as well eat a jelly bean?

Date: 2010-12-24 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fub.livejournal.com
I stopped reading Paul Cornell's blog at point 4, where he equates illegal downloads with theft.

Date: 2010-12-24 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
I wasn't terribly impressed with Paul Cornell's piece on ebooks And Cetera. Whilst he had some good points he also had some pretty bad ones (point 4 being the first one I came to on a quick read), some of his points directly contradict those I've heard from people making six figures a year on textual products online, and there generally seemed to be a bit of a lack of clear thinking vs aggrieved sense of what people *should* do, dammit.

Date: 2010-12-24 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Bad business thinking. Motivations and hence counter-motivations for theft vs illegal downloading are very different and respond to different triggers.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
He is, though - "People just like stealing stuff", and the rest of his paragraph, are explicitly a statement on motivations for pirating ebooks.

His argument on this point seems to boil down to "people like stealing my books because People Are Bad". If he just wants to get that off his chest, fair enough, I'm not going to oppose a good rant. But for someone who makes his living on consumer IP, it's not a very smart way to think, and it's not a particularly useful POV to pass on to others who are presumably looking to him for wisdom.

File-sharing is much more complicated than he's making out.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
True, but his observations are over-generalised and inaccurate, sometimes trivially provably so.

My feeling at the end of reading the piece was "Excellent, another potential competitor in the online storytelling market, with a bigger fanbase and more experience than me, auto-Darwinating himself out of the race."

(And nope, the "give it away, make money on dead tree" aren't the people I'm talking about. I'd venture that actually, the people who are following the Charlie Stross/Cory Doctorow model are actually in the minority of those making serious money through online book sales. I'm talking about people who make cash selling ebooks and other online information/storytelling product.)

Date: 2010-12-24 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Correction. SOME of his observations are over-generalised and inaccurate. Some of them are excellent, mostly the ones that are closely related to his personal experience with publishers and his business - his discussion of ebook pricing, for example. As soon as he starts generalising away from his particular experience of publishing, the wheels start coming off.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Well, if people just like stealing, then why are they offering up libraries for other people to steal? Thieves are traditionally not big on cooperation. And P2P doesn't work without seeders as well as downloaders.

Some people put in a great deal of unpaid work curating collections of work for others to download for free. You don't see shoplifters putting in 20 hours a week curating collections of DVD players for other people to nick.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
BTW, this isn't a morality argument from my POV. There are still moral arguments to be made even for music downloading, but what I'm interested in here is the simple question of "how do we get more people to buy music/books/movies online?"

Note - NOT "how do we get less people to illegally download for free"? That question is totally irrelevant to any artist's revenues, because it has a massive, inaccurate built-in assumption.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Ah, fair enough. I expect a higher standard than that from people commenting on business matters - fuzzy, evidence-free thinking is not a terribly good way to improve a business.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
Thinking about it, the question "Why do people buy music/movies/TV online when they could download it for free?" is a much more useful question than the inverse. Figure it out, do more of it, profit.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
True. I'm on the Digression Train at this point. Feel free to ask that it occupy someone else's track :). It's an interesting question, though.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
All of which is true, and all of which is already going some way to proving that "people still download music because people just like stealing stuff" is a less than 100% accurate statement.

Date: 2010-12-24 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-c-m.livejournal.com
Racists Totally Freak Out Over Idris Elba Playing Norse God in 'Thor'

While I do think that the Nordic people probably pictured their deities as white like themselves, ultimately they, the Nordic people, just didn't care. And, after much prayer and meditation, I have come to the opinion that Heimdall doesn't care either. If he is properly portrayed as an absolute Nordic God "I Fight Off Ragnarok" Bad Ass then all is good. :)

Blessed Be. :)

Date: 2010-12-24 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-c-m.livejournal.com
LOL indeed!!

The armor is utterly ridiculous! I would have my Nordic deities (and I am very fond of them, mind you) in beautiful but REALISTIC armor. The kind of armor that looks like you would put it on when getting ready to battle frost giants.

But hey, I'm looking forward to the movie. :)

Date: 2010-12-24 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
On Spotify - quite! There's a solid argument that the growth of Spotify has done more to persuade people to listen to music whilst paying (something) for it than all the world's anti-piracy efforts put together.

Also /agree on the constant reevaluation issue, partially because we've not yet got a handle on the landscape. I'm learning a lot about advertising right now, and one of the really interesting things about it is that many of the really great texts for learning to write advertisments were written 90-100 years ago. That seems to have been the time when advertising started to settle, and people began, rather than figuring out methods with a very short shelf life, to figure out durable advertising principles based on human nature rather than current culture.

I'm pretty confident that similar methods exist to deal with the digital world, ease of copying, etc. But I'm equally confident that very few if any people are using them and codifying them yet. We're still in the first 10 years of working on this, after all.

(And it'll go faster and more effectively when people stop treating this entire thing as a primarily moral rather than practical/business issue. Rant, rant.)

Income's an issue, of course, although it's my sense that generational viewpoints on the entire thing are a larger one. After all, it's the 18-35 demographic that's traditionally viewed as the cash-rich impulse-purchase one. It's not that younger people won't pay for things, it's that they're less likely to pay for IP in conventional forms. Moar Testing Needed. Currently it's my best guess (without seriously thinking about this answer and after some wine) that relationship marketing is the long-term key. It's all about what benefits paying as opposed to getting stuff for free offers - which often won't be quantifiable - combined with a healthy dose of framing (see the Washington Post's experiments framing a world-class musician as a subway busker) and relationship building.

To float an initial balloon: an artist who is percieved as *deserving* their music being ripped off appears to be hundreds of times more likely to be pirated than someone who is near-universally considered as not being so deserving. I think it was pirate copies of Serenity that ended up getting taken down after complaints from *other pirates*, for example.

Date: 2010-12-26 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
So a usable file format *is* an issue for you, then.

Date: 2010-12-26 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
Not two days ago you said DRM wasn't an issue!

Date: 2010-12-26 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
I'll cite you in the fucking arse, sonny jim #genehunt

"I'm not sure it's nearly as complicated as it used to be. Back in ye olden days there were all sorts of reason to share files - DRM, lack of availability, etc. Nowadays massive swathes of music are available, and DRM isn't an issue any more."

DRM, crappy formats and arbitrary decisions are still an issue.

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